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Go on, have a guess.

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We're looking at the trademark
colonnades and capitals
of a big Roman city.

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But is it Italy? France? Spain?

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No. We're in Palmyra, in Syria, not
all that far from the Iraqi border.

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We forget that the land of the
Caesars stretched from Arabia
to Portugal, from Scotland to Libya.

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Across this vast, pacified
Roman empire people
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everyone had the same chance
to become a Roman citizen,

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everyone had freedom of worship,
under a vast and accommodating
polytheism,

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and everyone could marry
whoever they chose, irrespective
of religion or race.

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Today, that unity is gone
and the great Roman territory has
been effectively divided in two.

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There is the Christian world
and the Muslim world

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and for 1400 years relations between
the two have been marked by rivalry,

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mistrust, incomprehension
and a simmering mutual antipathy
that still afflicts us today.

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These programmes are an attempt
to discover the origins

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and the see-sawing history
of what some people call
the "Clash of Civilisations".

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What do they mean by that?

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Is it true
that there is such a thing?

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And will it ever end?

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When Rome fell in 476 AD,
Western Europe was plunged headlong

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into what used to be called
the Dark Ages.

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But was it really
lights out for everyone?

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Let's face it, we have
a pretty Monty Python vision
of the Dark Ages,

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as a place of mud and illiteracy
and embarrassing diseases.

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A kind of cringe-making adolescence
of Western civilisation in which
people hurled dead cows

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over castle battlements and
drew endless lumpy pictures
of the torments of hell.

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And yet
there are plenty of historians

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who say that the Dark Ages were
by no means as dark as all that.

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And in the centuries after
the fall of Rome in 476 AD,
the Roman roads continued to

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function and although the bridges
may have been dilapidated,
they could be repaired with pontoons

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and the currency continued
to circulate and that, effectively,

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a great, unified civilisation
continued to flourish about the
shores of the Mediterranean.

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Something did finally destroy
that unity and it wasn't the Huns
and it wasn't the Vandals.

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It was the Arabs.

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In just 80 years, they conquered
half of the old Roman Empire,

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colonising the grain fields
of Egypt

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and surging through
North Africa to Spain.

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And the crucial difference between
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was that the Arabs were not seduced
by that intoxicating Roman brand.

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And they didn't adopt Christianity -
they were to develop their
own distinctive culture.

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And this powerful and sophisticated
Muslim civilisation was to be in
the ascendancy for 800 years.

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And that memory is important to
Islamic extremists today when they

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consider what they now think of as
the humiliation of the Arab world.

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In this series I'm going to
travel around Europe, to the
Mediterranean and the Middle East

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to look at some of the flashpoints
in relations between
Christianity and Islam.

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But also to see what we can learn
from those precious moments
of harmony and interchange.

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To understand the origins of this
long-running antipathy, we need
to grasp a key fact of geography,

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namely that Arabia,
now Saudi Arabia, was never
really part of the Roman world.

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The Arabs traded with Rome and
supplied plenty of mercenaries and
even an Emperor, Philip the Arab,

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and they supplied the camel,
the heavy goods vehicle
of the ancient world.

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But unlike their monotheistic
neighbours, the Christian
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and the Zoroastrian Persian
Empire, the desert Arabs remained
a mostly polytheistic people.

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At the beginning of the 7th Century,

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the Arabs still believed
in many gods and idols,
until a 40-year-old man,

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called Muhammad, underwent a
profound religious experience.

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In 610 AD, Muhammad
received his call to prophet-hood,
and changed the course of history.

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And some have seen this
as a bolt from the blue,

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a new divine message for humanity
without any previous
source or influence.

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While other Koranic scholars say,
"No, you must look at
the historical context."

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And the context was that the Arabs
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with barely any previous
literature of their own,

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living on the sandy fringes
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the Persian and, above all,
the Christian Roman Empire.

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Many Arabs had already converted
to Christianity, and Muhammad,
the well-travelled merchant,

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would certainly have been
familiar with the religion.

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But the advantage of Islam for the
Arabs was that they could adopt it

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without any implicit political
submission to the Christian
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as the final, superior faith,
and one which appeared
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it gave expression to
the growing Arab sense of
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Islam was not a new religion.

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The Muslims believed that
their faith was the perfection
of earlier revelations

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given to Jews and Christians
by their prophets.

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And that's why Moses and Jesus
are also revered by Muslims.

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If you ask a religious person,
then he will tell you that,

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Abraham knew something about
the true religion, then Judaism,
it was a little bit better.

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Then Christianity is better than
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time God will give these prophets and
these messengers more information.

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Until when Muhammad came,
then the original one, the final
religion, was given to Muhammad.

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So his idea was that he wasn't
bringing a new religion, but...

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No, not at all. He was just
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religion which can be traced
right the way back to Abraham.
Right.

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Because the Arabs have
this relation with this area,
with Syria and Egypt and Iraq,

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they were influenced by Christianity
and Judaism, and it seems to me that
they wanted a religion of their own.

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And the way to prove the
supremacy of that religion was war.

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In 637, only five years
after Muhammad's death,
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Not only the most important city in
Judaism, but also the place where
Christ preached and was crucified.

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Where Constantine,
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had ordered the construction of
the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.

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And what did Muhammad's
successors do when they got there?

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They set about visibly demonstrating
that Islam was the culmination
of Judaism and Christianity.

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This is al-Haram al-Sharif,
the Noble Sanctuary.

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After Jerusalem was destroyed
by the Romans in 70 AD
this whole area was just rubble.

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The first thing that the Caliph
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did when he got here was to
order the whole area to be cleared.

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And here was built this celestial
golden Dome of the Rock.

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It's not a mosque, but its
true purpose is still unclear.

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The rock inside the Dome is this
small, lunar patch of limestone,

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upon which there used to rest
the Arc of the Covenant itself.

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If you think of the "Clash of
Civilisations" in geological terms,
then this is the San Andreas fault.

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It was on this rock that Abraham
almost sacrificed Isaac, Jacob had
his vision of the angel ascending,

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somewhere around here Solomon
built the first Temple of the Jews

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in 950 BC and, of course, here too,
Jesus is supposed to have overturned
the tables of the moneychangers,

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and here too Muhammad
ascended into heaven, where he saw
Abraham, and Moses, and Jesus.

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Muhammad's "Night Journey"
is celebrated by this mosque,
the Al Aqsa, or Farthest Mosque.

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The importance of these
heavenly encounters,

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and the location of the mosque,
is that they cement Muhammad's
status as the last Prophet.

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Am I right in thinking that when
Muhammad ascended to the seventh

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heaven on the night flight he meets
Abraham, and Moses, and Jesus?

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It's not just a matter of meeting.

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It's more than meeting them.

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It is the Muslims who really
believe that Muhammad led a prayer.

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He was the imam, he was the preacher,
he was the leader for a prayer when

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he was joined by Abraham, Isaac,
Ishmael, Jesus, and the rest.

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Solomon, David. So this is important
from a religious point of view, that
Muhammad is the last true prophet.

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And when Muhammad
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they first prayed in the direction
of Jerusalem and not Mecca?

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Yes, you are quite right,
and that took place for 17 months.

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For this reason also Jerusalem
is considered important to Islam
because it is the first qibla.

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Qibla is the direction, among other
factors, why Jerusalem is important,
so it is the first qibla.

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The qibla is the direction
in which Muslims pray.

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Now, of course, towards Mecca.

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When you think of the hostility that
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Judaism, it's extraordinary to
remember that there are believers
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who hold that this holy hillside,
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is the place where the
resurrection of the dead will begin.

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And the dead of all three faiths
lie in close proximity, waiting
for God's great wake up call.

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But whatever reconciliation
takes place in the afterlife,
we must deal with the present

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and the historic resentments
fuelled by the occupation
of each other's territory.

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The annals of military history
have nothing to match

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the speed and success
of the Arabs' lightning conquests
in the 7th and 8th century.

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The Prophet died in 632,

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and four decades later they settled
in Egypt and Central Persia.

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They stretched from Toledo,
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to the Sindh Valley
in Pakistan today.

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The most prevalent and popular
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Islam was programmed for success.

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And the fact that it so rapidly swept

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all over the Mediterranean world,

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and the conquests,

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are regarded as a special miracle

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granted by God in order to
confirm the truth

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of the Islamic religion
and the Islamic message.

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And this is why you have a
revivalist movement,

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that if you revive
your commitment to Islam

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then the divine favour
will come back,

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will again prove that
our God is the true and correct one.

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Arab horsemen carved huge tracts
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and the Eastern Roman Empire,
known as the Byzantine
Empire to those in the West.

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And as they swept through
the eastern Roman empire they
found Christian heretics

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who had at least this
in common with Islam

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that they denied Orthodox teaching
about the divinity of Christ.

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There were all sorts of sects
holding all sorts of positions.

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Enophysites,
Monophysites, Nestorians, Copts.

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And these heretics
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by the middle of the 5th century
by the Orthodox Church in Byzantium.

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Fed up with being bossed about
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they may have been attracted by
one aspect of Islam in particular.

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There is no clergy in Islam.

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Any Muslim who just adopts Islam

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has no middle-man between
him or her and Almighty God.

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So it was not like
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That encouraged many people to
adopt this simple, direct religion.

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From the very beginning, Islam
was so much more than a private
relationship between man and God.

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Muhammad was a political
and military leader,
as well as the conduit of his faith.

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And the faith he propounded
wasn't just about the cultivation
of your immortal soul.

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It was about creating the perfect
society on earth.

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An Islamic programme
for the human race.

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Year one of the Muslim calendar
is based on that essentially
political moment when Muhammad

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and his followers left Mecca to set
up a new Muslim society in Medina.

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Even though Islam for the
first 10 or 12 years was a
persecuted group in Mecca,

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when they moved to Medina
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in the famous Hijra,

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the famous emigration from Mecca
to Medina, Muhammad becomes...

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A militant figure? He's a
religious leader and a political
leader from the very beginning.

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This is why Muslims don't believe in
separation between state and church.

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I myself believe that there was a
separation between state and church.

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Because when we read the Koran,
the Koran speaks almost only about
religion.

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It doesn't speak about
the state and how to run the state.

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I believe there was even

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a separation between the
church and the state even
in the time of Muhammad.

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How to appoint a caliph,
how to run the state, how many
ministers to be there...

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everything. Everything is secular.

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But for some reason the
theologians insist that this
was part of the religion.

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Religion and politics
are inextricably mixed

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in the notion of sharia,
the Islamic code of religious law.

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This has been developed
over centuries by
religious and legal scholars.

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It's based on the Koran
and the life of the Prophet

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and it has rules for just about
every aspect of daily life.

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Theoretically, Allah is the governor.

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And he put sharia, or what we call
the law of Allah.

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The Government is

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obliged to guard,

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to defend, the sharia.

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But they are not above it, they
are submitted, they are subjected
to the sharia also.

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And it was up to the people to decide
who is good to rule over them.

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But if the ruler, and there are many
examples of this in Islamic history,

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if the ruler insulted their faith,
by any way,

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they had to revolt against him.

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We have seen even in our own time
how militant Islamic groups

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can target rulers
of Muslim countries

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for not adhering to sharia,
and we have seen how those leaders
can pay a terrible price.

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Like the Egyptian president,
Anwar Sadat, assassinated in 1981.

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The very same accusations,
of a certain worldliness,

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a willingness to compromise,
were made about the Umayyads,

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the first dynasty
to rule the Muslim world.

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The Umayyads took control less than
30 years after the Prophet's death

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and here was the first sharp
contradiction

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between political expediency
and the purest demands of Islam.

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There were tensions between
the ruling class and the ulema,

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the religious leaders
of the community.

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That was there from the very
beginning, and ultimately it's what

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caused a split between
Shia Islam and Sunni Islam.

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This is a split that goes back to
whether or not you believe that

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the ruler of the community needs
to be a descendant of the
Prophet Muhammad or not.

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And here exactly is a split
between religion and politics.

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The Shia eventually
became more of a religious tradition
and less of a political one.

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And the Umayyads went on and
carried on as they had before.

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As so often, the doctrinal split
was really about power.

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The Umayyads were certainly Muslims,

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but their real interest
was in ruling.

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Having a new territory is one thing.

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Controlling it, administering it
is totally another.

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They penetrated,

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conquered,
but settlement took centuries.

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They really acquired
the administration

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of the Byzantines, their palaces,
their guards, their weaponry.

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It took them more than a century
until the administration
became really Arabic.

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They didn't live with the
rest of the population.

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They established military camps,
and there they spoke Arabic.

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So everybody from the cities
and from the villages who went there,
they had to speak Arabic.

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Because they are the leaders,
and they have the money,
and this and that.

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So by doing that, slowly
the other people learned Arabic.

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And slowly they lost their
languages and they spoke Arabic.

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Arabic replaced Greek and Latin as
the language of the imperial class.

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And soon the Arabs were developing
their own structures of government,

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complete with the universal
expression of their economic
and political mastery.

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Arab currency.

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It must have been an amazing shock
for the Byzantine Empire.

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They'd had 700 years of thinking
the Roman Empire would never fall,

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and suddenly they have these
coins circulating which don't
have the Emperor's head on them.

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Is that right? Yes. And this
is really what proves that
the Arabs didn't only have

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the military ability, but
also the administrative,
economic, and cultural ability.

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Surrounded by populations that were
overwhelmingly Christian or Jewish,

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the new Arab rulers behaved
with subtlety and intelligence.

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Many non-Muslims did
eventually convert to Islam.

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Those that didn't paid a special
poll tax, called the jizya.

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But there was no compulsion
to convert, and no ban on
the Jewish and Christian faiths.

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It's a myth to think that the Arabs
converted people to Islam at the
point of sword. That didn't happen.

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It was not completely
unheard of, but it was rare.

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And usually it was a decision
that people made themselves for
a whole variety of reasons.

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It was a combination of personal,
political, social, cultural...

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When we look back at the history
of this fabulous Umayyad Mosque
in Damascus,

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we have a tantalising glimpse
of a brief shining moment

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when Christians and Muslims
were even prepared to share
the same house of God.

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People have been worshipping
on the site of this Umayyad Mosque
for 3,000 years.

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First they venerated the Aramaean
god Hadad, then it was
the Temple of Jupiter,

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then the Christians
converted that into a basilica,

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and when the Muslims arrived here
in 636 AD, it became part mosque,
part church.

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With the Christians coming
in one door, and the Muslims
entering the other.

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And even when the Muslims
razed that building to create
this enormous mosque,

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it still physically expressed
the organic inter-relationship
between the two religions.

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There's a shrine to the head of John
the Baptist with real skin and hair,

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there's a minaret of Jesus,
and Justinian II sent,
from Constantinople,

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Byzantine craftsmen, to help create
these fabulous golden mosaics.

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But as time went on,
restrictions began to tighten
around the Christians,

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even though they were
in the overwhelming majority.

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They weren't allowed inside the
mosque, they weren't allowed
to build new churches, or to repair

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old ones, or to go out in
the streets without a zunar,
a special identifying belt,

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or to beat their gongs too
loudly, or to build their houses
higher than Muslim houses.

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You could not imagine
a more effective system of
cultural dominance.

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No, the Christians didn't have
anything like equality under
the Muslims in Damascus.

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But if you compare their position
to the grisly fates of the Jews
or heretics under Christian rule

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then you could argue that the
Muslims were really quite generous.

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And I think today there's a lazy
prejudice about Muslim imams,
the leaders of religious services.

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An assumption that they're all
hook-clawed fanatics, preaching
hatred against other religions.

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One way to correct that
prejudice is to go on a Friday
to the Damascus mosque

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where Dr Muhammad al-Habash
pours forth a mesmerising
gospel of tolerance.

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SUNG PRAYERS

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As in all mosques,
and indeed in all synagogues,
men and women worship separately.

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Dr al-Habash notes repeatedly
that Allah is the god of all men,

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and highlights positive moments
in the treatment of Jews and
Christians

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by the caliphs
who succeeded Muhammad.

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We believe there is wisdom
in Christianity, there is wisdom

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in Judaism, there is wisdom
in Hinduism, there is wisdom...

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Every place around the world
there is wisdom.

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And this is our message,
to search for wisdom.

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Now, Dr al-Habash is also a Syrian
MP and it may be that he's telling
me what he thinks I want to hear,

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but it sounds sincere enough.

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Our message is God created
all of humanity.

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All of humanity are like one family.

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This is a family of God.

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We believe God is one,

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but his names are many.

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Reality is one,
but its ways are many.

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There is something in al-Habash's
open-minded approach that
recalls the Golden Age of Islam,

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the intellectual adventurousness of
the new dynasty that took over the
leadership of the Muslims in 750.

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They were called the Abbasids
and they moved the centre

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of gravity of Islam eastwards
to a new-built city, Baghdad.

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Baghdad was the major administrative
and economic capital,

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and cultural capital,
and the intellectuals,

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the thinkers resided there, and
they were patronised by the State.

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Scholars and artists and
scientists could travel freely

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across the territories that the
Abbasids controlled, and they went

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specifically to search for teachers.

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So they were in pursuit of knowledge.

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This is al-Azhar University, founded
in 975 AD at a time when Oxford

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was still a place where an
ox forded a river.

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While the people of Oxfordshire were
living in huts of wattle and daub,

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Arab scholars were poring over
translations of the classics,

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from Persian, Chinese, Sanskrit and,
above all, from Greek.

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Anything scientific or philosophical
was preserved, studied, and then
passed on round the Arab world,

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through North Africa
and back to Europe.

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This second-hand learning apart,
there were precious few contacts

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between Muslims
and Western European Christians.

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In so far as the Europeans knew
anything it was derived from the
Arab sorties into their territory.

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Some of the early
western stereotypes of Muslims
that resulted from these struggles

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are still lurking in our
collective unconscious, even now.

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Within 80 years of the
death of Mohammad,
the Arabs landed in western Europe.

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Here then was the beginning
of a clash of civilisations and it
took place in Spain.

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I'm here in Tarifa,
on the southernmost tip
of the European continent.

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Called after Tarif who came here
in 710 on a reconnaissance mission.

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A year later, they came back,
mob-handed, captured the whole
of Spain up to the Pyrenees

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within seven years, and within about
20 years they're only a couple of
hundred miles short of Paris itself.

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Today, Tarifa is a
kite-surfers' hangout.

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And if you want to know why
the wind is so strong, it's because
this is the Atlantic coast.

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The Arabs started at the Red Sea
and within 80 years,

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they'd come as
far west as it's possible to go.

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Or is it?

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It was in 711 that a Moorish
general, Tariq Ibn Ziyad, came here,
and having given his

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name to the rock of Gibraltar,
Jabal Tariq,

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he then urged his horse
into the waves and cried,

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"Unknown land to the West,
if I could find thee, I would
convert thee to the true faith."

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Now that has to be one of
the greatest "what ifs" of history.

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Imagine if a Moorish general, and
not a Spanish sponsored navigator,

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had discovered the New World.

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Instead,
they pushed on north into France,

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and in 733, there took place
a battle

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that has loomed large in the fevered
imaginations of western Europeans.

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Because it was only at Poitiers,
less than 200 miles south of Paris,

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that the Muslim armies were finally
halted by Charles Martel.

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For a long time, it was seen as the
turning point of European destiny

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and in the words of Gibbon,

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"The Rhine is not more impassable
than the Nile or Euphrates
and the Arabian fleet

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"might have sailed without
a naval combat

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"into the mouth of the Thames.

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"Perhaps the interpretation of the
Koran would now be taught in the
schools of Oxford

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"and her pupils might demonstrate
to a circumcised people

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"the sanctity and truth
of the revelation of Muhammad."

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Now I'm a big fan of Edward Gibbon,

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but is he still thought
to be sound, 200 years on?

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Myriam, tell me about
the Battle of Poitiers.

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I've always been told it was a real
key moment

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for the history of Europe.

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Charles Martel, had he not won,

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the whole of European history would
have been different. Is that right?

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No, it's not. That's not right?
That's not right at all!

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Wrong again! Yes, totally wrong.

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In fact, this battle is one battle
inside all the battles.

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In fact, we are at the moment

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when Muslims could not
go further into the north.

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You see, at that time,
they began to be...

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SHE SPEAKS FRENCH

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To be beaten.
Yes, they began to be beaten.

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In fact there is Poitiers,

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but there are all the battles.
They were starting to lose anyway.

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Exactly. You mean they were reaching
the natural limits of their advance?

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Yes, that is the idea. OK.

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They had settled in Spain,

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and also in the south of France,

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so I think that they wanted to stay,
they wanted to consolidate.

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Consolidate that particular
territory? Yes, what they had.

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In France, Poitiers became part of
a national myth as historians looked
back at the 7th and 8th centuries

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and concluded that this first clash
between Islam and Christianity
was genuinely decisive

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in the creation of modern Europe

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and in the destruction
of the Ancient World.

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For centuries, indeed, the greatest
historical minds have puzzled

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over why the Roman empire declined
and fell in the first place.

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In 1935, the great Belgian
historian Henri Pirenne, supplied
a revolutionary answer.

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It wasn't the Germanic tribes
who wrecked the unity of the Roman
empire, said Pirenne. Oh, no.

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They may have had wacky Germanic
names like Gondebaud and Clodomir,

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but they still used Roman coins,

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they still spoke Latin of a kind,
they still aspired to romanitas.

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And in fact it wasn't,
said Pirenne, until the middle

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of the seventh century
when suddenly, the Arabs arrived.

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And with lightning speed,

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they swept through some of
the richest territories
of the old Roman empire.

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And it was then, he said, that the
economic unity of the Roman system
was destroyed, and the sweet, slow,

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sunset of the Roman empire
gave way to the Middle Ages.

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And instead of a great whole,
you had

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two opposed civilisations with
little understanding of each other,

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and not even much
interest in each other.

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What is so sad is that the same
could still be said today.

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Let's look at Spain, where the
Moors, as the Arabs here were known,
were established for 900 years

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and where the glories of medieval
Muslim and Jewish culture

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are still five star items
on the tourist trail.

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Here's Maimonides, the Jewish sage,
born in Cordoba,

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the foremost doctor of his age,
a polymath

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whose career was only made possible
by the Muslim Enlightenment.

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Though his toe is still stroked
by reverential tourists,

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and though this very flamenco music
may have Muslim roots,

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there are some Spaniards
who are a little resentful

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of the touristic obsession
with Spain's Moorish past.

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Take the Great Mosque at Cordoba.

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You'll find plenty of Spaniards
keen to point out that it's now

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a Roman Catholic cathedral,
built on the site of an even earlier

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Christian church, dating from
the time of the Visigoths,

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whom the Moors had superseded.

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And somehow that misses the point -
that this mosque

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is one of the most extraordinary
religious buildings on Earth.

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It's structures like this that gave
medieval Cordoba

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the name,
"the Ornament of the World."

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With its fountains, its thousands of
libraries, its well-paved,

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well-lit streets, it made places
like London look, frankly, barbaric.

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And 10th century observers came
back stunned with tales of this city

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of 900 baths and its library
with 600,000 volumes

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and everywhere, men devising
new techniques for irrigation,

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silk manufacture,
algebra, astronomy,

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before knocking off a quick lyric
in which they likened their beloved
to a pomegranate or a persimmon -

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on the new paper
they were introducing from Andalusia
to the rest of Europe.

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And if they were really lucky,
the visitors might be admitted

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to the enchanted world
of Madinat al-Zahra,

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a 10th century summer palace
built by the Muslim caliph of Cordob

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and still being excavated today.

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This is only a tiny fraction
of the 112 acre,

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10th century Muslim Versailles,

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complete with bowery nooks,
and fragrant jasmine-scented walks.

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And if you're asking yourself
why the caliph built this here on
the hill overlooking Cordoba,

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it wasn't just because
it was cooler,

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or because they could make use
of the running water.

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It was so that the people
for miles around could see this

430
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,840
great white city, this symbol
of Muslim power and luxury.

431
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:16,000
In fact, the whole thing was
so deeply civilised that recent

432
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,720
commentators have been tempted
to idealise Moorish al-Andalus.

433
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:26,360
They have seen it as a social
paradise, a lost Eden in which
Moors, Jews and Christians

434
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,800
lived in the kind of perfect harmony
you associate

435
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,760
with a glutinous song
by Paul McCartney and Stevie Wonder.

436
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,320
They call it "convivencia" -

437
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,400
living together.

438
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,120
Western historians have long had
a tendency to idealise al-Andalus,

439
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,760
Muslim Spain,
as a kind of dream world.

440
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,920
A happy community of poets
and scholars

441
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,720
with women's writing circles,

442
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:57,440
and important astronomical
discoveries, as though 10th century
Cordoba offered a beacon of hope

443
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,280
to us from 1,000 years ago,

444
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,920
about how Christians and Muslims
can still live together happily.

445
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,320
And yet, of course,
it wasn't quite really like that.

446
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,120
What sticks in the mind is not just
the occasional persecutions in which

447
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:17,280
both sides indulged, it's the
stand-offishness of one religious
community toward the other.

448
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,600
The lack of interest.
The refusal properly to mix.

449
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,240
Convivencia may have meant
living next to each other,

450
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:27,080
but it wasn't
a multicultural melting pot.

451
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,400
For one thing, the Arab overlords
conducted their usual policies of

452
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,120
discrimination against
the non-Muslims in their midst.

453
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,920
They had to accept
second class citizenship.

454
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,040
They had disadvantages,
like not being able

455
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,240
to hold power offices.

456
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:50,880
They could not be superior
to Muslims in any way.

457
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,760
Say, to have a Muslim slave,
was impossible.

458
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,760
Whereas a Muslim could have
Christian slaves, or Jewish slaves.

459
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,640
And were they encouraged
to convert to Islam?

460
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:09,480
Yes, they were. There was a
proselytising process in all
the areas conquered by the Muslims.

461
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,480
Of course, the Muslims

462
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,360
thought that the rest of the people
were wrong in their beliefs.

463
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:22,400
And so, they wanted the rest of
the population to become Muslim.

464
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,600
But there was no compulsion.

465
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:32,640
No compulsion, perhaps,
but plenty of common sense reasons
to get with the winners.

466
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,440
Gradually,
al-Andalus became mostly Muslim.

467
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,720
And even the Christians
who maintained their faith
became thoroughly Arabised.

468
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:46,360
They were called Mozarabs,
wannabe Arabs.

469
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,400
These very reduced Christian
minorities were also losing Latin,

470
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,920
because of the pressure
of Arabic on them.

471
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:01,560
So, for instance, we have that
by the 10th century in Cordoba,

472
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,040
for instance, the gospels were
being translated into Arabic.

473
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,600
That's amazing. The psalms were
also being translated into Arabic.

474
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,680
Into Arabic? Yes, because
the Christians were losing Latin.

475
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,600
For some Christians,

476
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,760
this inexorable Arabisation
was a cause of deep dismay.

477
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,880
By 850, some Cordoban Christians
could take it no more.

478
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,960
Take the case of Isaac,
who turned up one day

479
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,920
at the office of the qadi,
the local religious chief,

480
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,640
and announced that he
wanted to become a Muslim.

481
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,600
The qadi instructed Isaac in Islam,
at which point Isaac flabbergasts

482
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,880
the qadi by insulting Muhammad
and abusing Islam.

483
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,720
The qadi, of course, strikes Isaac.

484
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:51,240
Isaac then says,
"How dare you strike a face
that resembles the image of God?"

485
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:53,480
The qadi gives him one last chance -

486
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:58,240
Are you drunk, having a bad day,
something going wrong at home?
Is there anything I can do?

487
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:03,680
And Isaac says, no, no, no,
he's absolutely determined
to die for Christianity.

488
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,520
Which, of course, he duly does.

489
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:11,920
In a 9 year period,
47 further Christian martyrs
followed Isaac's lead.

490
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,880
We interpret this movement

491
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,240
of the so-called voluntary martyrs
as a movement of frustration from

492
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:26,480
people who were losing their social
power at that time here in Cordoba.

493
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,320
Because the rate of conversion was so
high that these people just couldn't

494
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,320
stand the idea that Christianity
was becoming a minority religion.

495
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,360
So it was a kind of desperate
movement in desperate circumstances.

496
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,200
Now, there's no real analogy
between the Cordoba martyrs

497
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,400
and the Muslim suicide bombers
of today -

498
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,600
the Christians didn't set out
to kill innocent people.

499
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,440
But the two groups are alike
in at least one respect.

500
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:05,040
I think the kind of spectacular
terrorism we are seeing in the
Islamic world is very much,

501
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:10,280
in my interpretation, very much
a product of a sense of desperation.

502
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,760
Rather than of self-confidence.

503
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,600
All other means have been used,
and there's nothing left except

504
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,040
this kind of destructive,
spectacular terrorism.

505
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,040
In the history of Spain,

506
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,960
religious communities have taken
it in turn to suffer despair.

507
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,400
First the Christians experienced
the erosion of their religious

508
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,600
and cultural identity and responded
with fanatical protest.

509
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:48,120
Then it was the turn of the Jews and
the Muslims, expelled in the 1600s.

510
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,120
And under the Catholic monarchs
and General Franco,

511
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,240
it was the Muslim contribution
that was airbrushed out

512
00:42:54,240 --> 00:43:00,120
of history, and Catholicism
became a state-sponsored religion.

513
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,240
I was born in a generation,
under the Franco regime,

514
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:06,920
where everybody
was forced to be Catholic.

515
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,880
When any other religion,

516
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,160
different from Catholicism,
was forbidden.

517
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:19,920
And even you could go into prison
if you have any outward manifestation
of any other religion.

518
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:35,400
Even today, when Spain's Muslim
heritage generates so many millions
of tourist dollars, you can detect

519
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,880
a certain local sniffiness
about our Moorish obsessions.

520
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,600
"Don't forget the Visigoths",
they cry,

521
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,720
and they point to the few defaced
lumps that remain from the era

522
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:47,680
of the Christian barbarians,

523
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,760
as though the 900-year Arab
presence was a kind of aberration.

524
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,760
THEY SPEAK LOCAL LANGUAGE

525
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,120
You think much of the culture
is Islamic?

526
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,640
No! No?

527
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,320
No! No, no, no!

528
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,440
It derives from
the ancient Visigoth,

529
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,480
from the ancient Christian culture?

530
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,320
Yes. Here, the Visigoths
and in the North, the Celtic.

531
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,320
The sheer ignorance that exists
in this country about Islam

532
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:09,440
and about the Islamic past,
I mean, that's a pity.

533
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,680
It's surprising to what extent
people ignore the richness

534
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,960
of the Islamic civilisation
in this country.

535
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:22,040
People want to somehow stress
this Visigothic heritage,

536
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,880
but obviously,
the Visigothic heritage is, I mean...

537
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,320
It's pretty difficult
to work out what it is.

538
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,960
It's pretty difficult
to work it out, yeah.

539
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,120
Many people
are proud of the Moorish past.

540
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,720
But that's not to say they
look forward to a Moorish future.

541
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:42,760
We make the difference.
Not we, but people in general,

542
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,040
make this difference that
the Alhambra was made for

543
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,160
another Moorish people, but not
this Moorish people right now.

544
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,000
Not the Moroccans who come and
live in modern Granada. Exactly.

545
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,880
The illegal ones. Maybe they have
a problem with these people.
It's a question of patriotism.

546
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:05,720
People think Spain
is, like, my country. Mi Corazon.

547
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:10,520
And they want very white
and perfect people.

548
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,600
They don't want no Muslim
or not anyone to come here.

549
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:19,040
But maybe half of Spain thinks that
it's all right, and the other half

550
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,240
of Spain is like, afraid of this.
Maybe they're just scared.

551
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:32,800
The Spanish are, of course,
not alone in suffering from the odd
bout of racism or xenophobia.

552
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,240
But if you put the Spanish nation
on the psychoanalyst's couch,

553
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:40,080
it's easy to see how history
has conditioned their subconscious.

554
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:45,320
It is a history of bloody battles
between Moor and Christian.

555
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:51,960
The Christian kings in the north
were increasingly warlike and their
determination to repel the invader

556
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,320
was fuelled by an increasingly
religious fervour, which made life

557
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:02,120
tricky for the Christians still
in Moorish territory in al-Andalus.

558
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:07,320
Even though legally speaking,
they had the same status as Jews,

559
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,800
they were never considered
the same as Jews

560
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,440
because they were a fifth column.

561
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,440
They were a military threat?

562
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,760
They could be in contra, they could
be spies, they could be seen as

563
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,760
spies or people who had alliances
with the Christians of the North.

564
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,200
And yet, it wasn't the Christians

565
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,920
who destroyed this palace of
flowers, Madinat al-Zahra, in 1010.

566
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,160
It was Muslim Berber tribesmen.

567
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:41,280
And this Muslim civil war
gave the Christians their chance.

568
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,040
After centuries on the back foot,

569
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,360
Christians were advancing in Spain,

570
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,000
Sicily had been recaptured
for the cross,

571
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:52,000
and now Christian eyes were
turning east as they contemplated

572
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,120
a grandiose plan of reconquest.

573
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,960
The Crusades.

574
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,600
Now, it would be fair to say
that in the West

575
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,480
these days the word "Crusade",

576
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,360
does not carry its full weight as
an unrelenting military operation

577
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,880
actuated by specifically
Christian fervour.

578
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,880
For instance, the other day,
I heard a colleague of mine
call for a "crusade"

579
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:26,440
to ensure that rubbish skips were
installed with flashing lights
as well as reflective signs.

580
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:32,400
I can't imagine that 1,000 swords
are going to leap from their
scabbards to fight for that one.

581
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,440
And yet when George Bush
called for a "crusade" after 9/11,

582
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:41,920
he started a global panic,
because he seemed to be alluding
backwards to an epoch

583
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,000
in which Christians fought Muslims,
and Muslims fought Christians,

584
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,440
for the sake of religion,

585
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,040
and sometimes
for the sake of religion alone.

586
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,040
It began in 1095

587
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:57,800
with the most bellicose
Christian sermon of all time.

588
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:02,680
Pope Urban II appeared before
a vast crowd in Clermont, France,

589
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,520
and called for an armed pilgrimage

590
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:12,080
against the Muslims in the Holy
Land, the place the Muslims
had conquered 400 years earlier.

591
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:18,200
And you may wonder how western
Europe plucked up the courage
to challenge Muslim supremacy.

592
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,000
On the face of it,
we've got a mystery.

593
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,360
For centuries, the Arab world
has been firing on all cylinders.

594
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,720
They've been charting the heavens,
investigating the circulation
of the blood,

595
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:33,120
and cracking complicated algebraic
equations, and they've been

596
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,040
full of intellectual and military
confidence, while western Europe

597
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,160
has been sunk in lethargy -

598
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:44,920
a world of stumbling ox carts and
mumbling monks and homicidal popes.

599
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,800
And yet it's western Christendom

600
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:54,080
that manages to shake itself out
of its lethargy, and mount these
extraordinary expeditions.

601
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,360
It's partly a function of
the relative unity of the
two civilisations.

602
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,680
At the height of their powers
in the 9th and 10th centuries,

603
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,200
the Muslims were united,
but western Europe

604
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,600
was plagued by the feudal system,

605
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,920
with power contested between
barons and counts and lords.

606
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,920
Jonathan, you know that film
Pulp Fiction, where this guy

607
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,200
called Marcellus says "I'm going
to get medieval on your ass"?

608
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,360
And that immediately connotes

609
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:27,040
ideas of barbarity and violence
and very, very nasty practices.

610
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,360
Is that fair on the Middle Ages?

611
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:36,440
It is, and it isn't. Violence is
a very clear and powerful feature
of 11th and 12th century Europe.

612
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,440
The reason why it's such a violent
society is that order
has broken down.

613
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:46,440
You've got these small lordships,
castellans, and these guys
are laws unto themselves.

614
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:51,080
They can charge around
attacking peasants, churches,
the vulnerable, the weak.

615
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:55,800
They take money from them,
they take their cattle, their crops
and they enrich themselves.

616
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,360
At this stage,
the popes in Rome were happily

617
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,600
assassinating each other like
minor characters from the Sopranos.

618
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,000
But as the 11th century progressed,

619
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,640
the Catholic hierarchy began
to get its act together.

620
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,720
The Church decides it has
a moral responsibility
to do something about this.

621
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:19,240
It needs to try and steer its flock,
if you like, in a better moral
direction - violence is bad.

622
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:25,440
And so one of the things it tries
to do is initiate something
called the Peace of God.

623
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:31,600
And what this is, is the Church
telling and making knights and people
in society swear on an oath

624
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,560
that they will not harm
certain groups of people.

625
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,080
The poor, or churchmen.
Or the Truce of God.

626
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,520
That for certain periods of time,
there will be no violence.

627
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,480
So one of the things it's got
to stop people doing is sinning.

628
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,680
And what was the Church's main
weapon in the fight against sin?

629
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,360
The promise of eternal damnation,
everlasting torment.

630
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,720
And we're not just talking
about Heathrow on a bank holiday.

631
00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:01,840
As we can see from this
famous carving in Moissac
in south-west France.

632
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,200
Now, when did you last hear
a Christian mainstream cleric

633
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,720
warn his congregation
that they were going to fry in hell?

634
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:12,400
Is there anyone in the Church
of England who still believes in

635
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,360
the great crimson,
licking tongues of hellfire,

636
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,560
with grinning demons
toasting your spleen on forks?

637
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,560
The last pronouncement I heard
from the Church of England was

638
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,400
that even if hell does exist,
there may be no-one in it.

639
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,320
Compare that feeble, milky theology

640
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:32,200
with the genuine terror in
the hearts of 12th century Europe.

641
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,160
Look at Luxuria here,
the Wages of Sin.

642
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:40,880
Her breasts have been devoured by
serpents, and a toad wreaking
some unmentionable vengeance.

643
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,960
We find it difficult to
think ourselves back into the minds

644
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,520
of people who were genuinely
terrified of hell.

645
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:52,840
And yet for a medieval churchman,
that terror was full
of political possibility.

646
00:52:52,840 --> 00:53:00,720
"O peccatores transmutetis
nisi mores iudicium
durum vobis scitote futurum."

647
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:05,560
Oh, sinners, unless you
shape up, something nasty
is going to happen to you.

648
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,760
That was the gist
of what the priest said.

649
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,560
Sin was a powerful tool
of religious and political control

650
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,800
because the Church could decide
what constituted a sin.

651
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,280
And the Church could let you off.

652
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,800
As we'll see,
this once in a lifetime chance

653
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:29,080
to Get Out Of Hell Free was a
crucial component in the Crusades.

654
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,800
To see how sin was used to order
medieval society,

655
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,760
I've come to the French village
of Conques.

656
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,800
Here's the famous tympanum,
giving it the full medieval monty.

657
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,680
There's heaven,
on one side, painted blue.

658
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,360
And Hell, replete with ghastly
torments, painted red, on the other.

659
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,840
This is a portrait,
not just of the hereafter,

660
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:57,000
but of the hopes and fears
of medieval Christian society.

661
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,480
It's a hellfire sermon in stone,
isn't it?

662
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,880
It is. It's a cartoon
with words and pictures.

663
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,120
And in the middle,
you've got Christ in majesty,
delivering the Last Judgement.

664
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,760
If you end up on the wrong side,

665
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,360
you get pushed through
the jaws of hell. There.

666
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,040
An enormous creature with a pair of
feet disappearing down its mouth.

667
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,280
Great big dog in a kennel.

668
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,920
You have to admit that hell
is more interesting to look at.

669
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,080
There's a heck of
a lot more going on.

670
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,840
But it's the peace, the calm,
and the order that people

671
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,880
are aspiring to, that the church
is trying to direct them to.

672
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:35,040
There's so little of that in their
disordered, violent, medieval lives?
Yeah, exactly.

673
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,520
The genius of Urban II in 1095 is to
come up with the idea of the Crusade.

674
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,360
Men who'd been sinning all their
lives through these misdeeds

675
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,080
that we can see,
through this penitential act -

676
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:51,040
taking the cross and going to
the Holy Land, will get remission
of all their sins. Bingo!

677
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,680
The slate will be wiped clean.

678
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,520
Pope Urban's masterstroke was
to solve two problems at once.

679
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:05,360
To export the violence of the
troublesome medieval knights
out of Europe, and to strengthen

680
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,920
to power of the papacy as the leader
of the Western Christian Church
on the other.

681
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,080
He had the idea that if Christians

682
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:18,240
from the West could go to Jerusalem

683
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:22,280
to free Christians from the East

684
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,680
from the dominations of Muslims
in general,

685
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:31,000
so he could recreate
the unity of the world.

686
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,520
The unity of the Roman world,
as it was. How amazing.

687
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,880
So that was part of his conception?

688
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,960
He was sure that he was the only one

689
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,960
who could rule over Christendom.

690
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,760
And also the Pope
in the Middle Ages,

691
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:54,160
in the centre of the Middle Ages,
had become a prince.

692
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,360
It was one thing for the Pope
to send out crusaders
to capture the Holy Places.

693
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,720
It was quite another
to hold onto them.

694
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:12,960
When Urban II makes his speech at
Clermont, he promises the crusaders
"the land of milk and honey".

695
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,520
And what he's doing there

696
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,280
is being realistic.

697
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:22,520
OK, they've got to go for the right
reason, the religious intention,
cleansing Jerusalem and all that.

698
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,520
But he's not stupid.
Because of course,

699
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,160
if they do that, then all come home,
it's pointless, self-evidently.

700
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,320
Some people have got to stay,
and they will be promised that land.

701
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,840
Add to this the long-lasting
Christian antipathy towards Muslims,

702
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,520
and a powerful resentment of their
occupying Jerusalem, and you have

703
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,360
a recipe for the extraordinary
combination of pilgrimage

704
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,720
plus violence
that was the Crusades.

705
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,080
Some 60,000 persons
set off for the Holy Land.

706
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:59,120
Not only knights, but also peasants,
preachers and assorted misfits.

707
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:04,000
The main body of knights arrived
in Constantinople in July 1096.

708
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:08,320
Three years later, after a long
series of arduous and bloody sieges,

709
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,080
they arrived in Jerusalem.

710
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:18,360
Here they slaughtered between
20,000 and 30,000 people -

711
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,720
Jews as well as Muslims.

712
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,320
It's not surprising, then,
that for many Muslims today,

713
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,920
the Crusades are seen as an ominous
symbol of Western aggression.

714
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,760
Some people say that
the Crusades have never ended.

715
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,600
And yet in the West,
they've tended to be seen either as

716
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:44,000
a glorious adventure or an admirable
religious sacrifice, or both.

717
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,040
The way the Crusades are viewed
by many in the Muslim world today

718
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,080
is at the heart of
the current crisis.

719
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:53,440
To understand why,

720
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,120
we need to see these struggles
in their true context.

721
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:00,600
In the next programme,

722
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,040
I want to look at the impact of
those Crusades on the Muslim world,

723
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,160
and I also want to look at the way
that word has become, today,

724
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:13,560
even more menacing to the Muslim
mind than it was 1,000 years ago.

725
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,120
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726
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,120
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