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Tonight nearly all 61 million
people of this country

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will fall asleep, and each
and every one of us will dream.

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There were two lanes on the
motorway so it was a normal motorway

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apart from the fact that
all the cars had no people in them.

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I'm holding a big glass of milk
and there's a head of lettuce in it.

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She was very overweight and
actually was growing a real beard.

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It's an extraordinary world
full of pleasure and pain.

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I descended from the sky
onto this sort of beautiful...

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.. I've been choked and...
stabbed and I've been shot...

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But why we dream is
one of science's great mysteries.

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I don't know anybody who
isn't fascinated by dreams.

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I mean they are...

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outrageous events in our lives.

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It's only now

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that science is beginning to reveal

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the bizarre complexities
of this secret world.

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Why would Mother Nature

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highly activate your brain,
paralyse your body,

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sexually activate you

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and force you to watch
these things we call dreams, why?

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Why would Mother Nature do that?

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Much of what we thought we knew
about dreams appears to be wrong.

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Without nightmares there is a good
chance that humanity

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wouldn't be here at all.

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Where do our dreams come from?

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If you want to understand

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human nature, the human
mind, what makes us tick,

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you need to look at dreams.

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Do our dreams have meaning?

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People intuitively know
that there is something

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about their dreams
that is meaningful.

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People are endlessly fascinated
by dreams.

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Can we use our dreams?

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Those people who dream about it
actually end up

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performing better the next time.

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Throughout human history
there have always been

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big ideas
about the origins of dreams.

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For decades people thought dreams
were all these so spiritual things

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and you know they are.

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It's all about hidden sexual desires,
it's all nonsense.

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Scientists have long held the
belief that dreams have a purpose.

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Dreams have been responsible
for two Nobel prizes,

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the invention of a couple of major
drugs, other scientific discoveries.

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When you share a dream with
somebody,

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you're saying here is some
information about me

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that I haven't faked.

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and therefore it's reliable,
and therefore it might reveal

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something interesting about me.

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But it was not until 55 years ago

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that neuroscience really
began to study the dreaming brain.

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Then American sleep scientist
Nathaniel Kleitman

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undertook a series
of remarkable experiments.

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He measured the brainwave activity
of his subjects whilst they slept.

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Rather than seeing the passive
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Kleitman found quite the opposite.

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What they found is that yes,
they seem to fall asleep

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and you got these big waves
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it became fast and low
amplitude again

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as if they were awake
but they weren't.

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So it looks like while you're
asleep, the brain can shift

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between different states, different
stages of sleep we say now,

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some of which
looks very much like wake.

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And when Kleitman examined these
active sleep cycles, he noticed

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something else - the sleepers'
eyes appeared to be blinking.

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Kleitman called it
Rapid Eye Movement, or REM sleep

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and it would lead to his greatest
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what the researchers invariably found

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when they woke up a subject

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was the subject would say, "I'm
dreaming. I just had a vivid dream. "

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Kleitman had pinpointed
when we dream

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but he found while our brain
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the effect of REM sleep on our
bodies was exactly the opposite.

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Another feature of REM sleep
is that your muscle tone

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just goes absolutely down to zero.

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You become functionally paralysed.

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If you're sitting up in a chair
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and falls and you fall asleep,
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If you fall into REM sleep, you
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onto the floor because your body
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almost paralysed in the sense
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actually work and it becomes
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Kleitman and his team
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in explaining our dream lives

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but it would take some far more
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to enter further into the secret
world of dreams.

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This cat looks as if it's awake.

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In fact, it's fast asleep.

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A dog appears to try running.

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It too is asleep.

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In order for these dreams to be
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to radical surgery.

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Scientists removed the part of the
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the muscles during REM sleep.

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And what we see is that when you
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is that they, they can walk around
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is not random, it's not chaotic.

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They're not just doing
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They appear to be doing the kinds
of behaviours that cats like to do

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like stalking a prey, you know
play with a mouse or something.

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So presumably that's what they dream
about when they go into REM sleep.

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So that's what we think is happening.

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These experiments gave scientists
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of animals.

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Repeating such radical surgery
in humans was unthinkable.

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Researchers still sought a way
to observe people

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living out their dreams.

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One rare brain disease
offers a possible answer.

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Well, I'm not an aggressive person.

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No, not aggressive at all
but he is when he's got...

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It's a Jekyll and Hyde thing.

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Yeah I'm saying Tommy,
stop it, stop it!

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Stop it!

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And I said what are you doing and
he said "I'm picking the parrot up. "

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And I said, "You what?" And he
said, "I'm picking the parrot up. "

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And he don't even know that
he's told me that, do you? No.

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Tom and Tina Cursley have been
married for 42 years.

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Three years ago Tom retired
from running a garden centre

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and that's when he started
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Well, it was me telling him
he's got to go to the doctor's

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and sort this out because
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I'd think I was running and kicking,
and my arms were going...

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I didn't know what he was going
to do cos he was aggressive.

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Tom had begun to act out his dreams
and there was one that caused him

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to be particularly energetic
at night.

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I can picture now being in this
field, a river in the background

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and I don't know,
about a dozen cows grazing the grass

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and they suddenly started
coming towards me

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and there's this high fence
all round it

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and I'm backing up to the fence,

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getting out of the way
but they keep coming.

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And I try and
jump over the fence

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but there's no way
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The cows keep coming and nudging me
and push me out of the way.

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As he dreams,
Tom thrashes about the bed.

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He's just horrible really.

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He's shouting and... raging
about everywhere.

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The bedside cabinet went over the
other night and he didn't even know

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he'd knocked that over but everything
went flying, didn't it? Yeah.

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Everything.

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Light, clock, tablets,
and he never even woke up.

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It is, it is awful because
I mean, why is he doing it?

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Tom is suffering from a rare brain
condition called REM Sleep Disorder.

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Dr John Shneerson

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is one of Europe's leading experts
on this condition.

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It's absolutely classical for
the REM Sleep behaviour disorder.

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It starts off with movements
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is a bit unusual but nothing special,
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but it becomes more frequent,
more intense

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and it can be dangerous for the
partner and dangerous for the dreamer

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who may dive out of bed and have
quite severe injuries.

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A lot of people with this condition
end up with nothing in their bedroom.

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They take out all the bedside tables,

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all the lamps, all the sharp corners,
which might injure themselves.

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They end up almost in a padded cell.

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The condition is caused
by a gradual destruction

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of a part of the brain stem
called the Pons.

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The Pons controls the
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and the disorder is in some cases
a pre-cursor to Parkinson's Disease.

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Some sufferers who have a more
severe form of the disease

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demonstrate very vivid dreams.

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As in this video, a sleeper
puffs on his finger monitor,

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dreaming that it's a cigarette.

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Here a French veteran dreams
of marching on the parade ground.

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Another patient was dreaming that
there were animals coming in the room

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and he woke up on the mantelpiece
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He didn't know how he got up
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very motivated to get that far.

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It's only a tiny part
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which prevents us
from acting out our dreams.

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Part of the activity of REM sleep is
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these centres in your brain
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so if you have, you could have all
sorts of thoughts

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and activity within the brain,
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Whilst for the sufferer REM Sleep
Disorder can be unbearable,

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for scientists it fulfils the ambition
of seeing somebody else's dream in action.

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After 55 years of delving ever
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the new cutting edge of dream
science is dramatically changing

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our understanding of dreams.

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Erica Harris is one of the
new breed of dream scientists.

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As most other people battle
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she's arriving for work
at Boston University,

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a world centre
in this ethereal field.

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The experiment tonight

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won't probably end till about 6.30
or 7am when we're finally done.

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It's very tiring but we enjoy our
work so we're looking forward to it.

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Also arriving
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a 19-year-old student who has
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Hello! Oh, hello, I'm Ross. Hi, Ross.

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The aim of the next eight hours
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that Ross is going to undertake
as he dreams through the night.

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This is to measure any different type
of muscle movement that he might have

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at his eyes or at his chin.

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We need to measure the brainwaves
because the brainwaves look different

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depending on the different type of
sleep that the person goes in.

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The researchers will
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and movement throughout the night.

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There are 26 different electrodes
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We're going to have a pretty good
idea about everything

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that is going on
with him while he's sleeping.

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Even with all this technology,
there is still only one way

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to find out whether Ross
is dreaming. Sweet dreams.

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The project leader
is Professor Patrick McNamara.

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There is no technology that allows us

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to know 100% certainty
that a person is dreaming.

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You can see the full panoply of
characteristics that occur

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during REM sleep - the paralysis,
the eyes darting back and forth.

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You can put him under a neuro-imaging
scanner. You can see the areas

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of the brain that light up
during REM sleep light up

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and you can expect them to report
a dream when you wake them up

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but they may not.

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Unfortunately the best way to find
out if a person is dreaming

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is to wake them up and ask them.

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Despite this limitation,
the experiment will examine

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how our dreams play a central
role in our mental well-being.

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So this should tell us something
crucial about the nature of the mind

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because if you want to understand
human nature, the human mind,

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what makes us tick,

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you need to look at dreams.

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It's now eleven o'clock
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and Ross has gone to sleep.

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But it's going to
be a long hard night.

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Our sleep is divided
into 90-minute cycles.

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The first two are
dominated by deep sleep

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when our brain is mainly passive.

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After that we alternate between REM
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On this monitor we are looking for

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him to descend into the various
stages of sleep so we want him

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to make his complete sleep cycle
prior to us awakening him.

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Ross has entered the first cycle
of REM sleep

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where we know dreaming takes place.

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But thirty minutes later
he starts another stage of sleep,

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called non-REM sleep.

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Right now what we can see is that
he's in non-REM sleep,

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because the shape of the brainwaves
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and then we see some
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This is the beginning of the
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we want to wake Ross up.

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Dream scientists used to think
that this was just an insignificant

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stage of sleep and that we
only dreamt in REM sleep.

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But the great surprise of the past
few years is the discovery

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that we dream in non-REM sleep as
well, as the experiment confirms.

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It's four o'clock in the morning.

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Ross, wake up,
it's time to do your packet.

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Ross is woken from non-REM sleep and
does indeed report having a dream.

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I was with people I knew,

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no real friends as specific
but I was with people I knew

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and we were

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trying to find somewhere.

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It is not just that we
dream in non-REM sleep.

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This groundbreaking experiment
is starting to find

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that these two dream worlds
are fundamentally different.

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So the first thing that he's working
on right now is a mood questionnaire

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and basically he might
see three letters like O P T

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and he's supposed to
complete some kind of word for that.

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The words Ross chooses will indicate

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how positive he's feeling
about himself in non-REM sleep.

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He appears to be feeling
very good about himself.

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We found in our experiment there
was a very reliable difference

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in self-concept, self-regard
and there was an increase

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in positive regard of the self
after awakenings from non-REM.

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Ross goes back to sleep.

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The next time he's woken
he will be well into REM sleep.

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5 am.

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Ross, time to wake up.

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This time Ross reports a
number of negative words.

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McNamara speculates
that the difference in the nature

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of these dreams can be traced back
to an ancient structure of the brain

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called the amygdala
that is linked to our emotions.

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I think that we have more negative
emotions during REM-related dreams

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because during REM sleep,
the amygdala is very highly activated

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and the amygdala specialises
in handling unpleasant emotions

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like intense fear
or intense anger or aggression.

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Finally the long night is over
and Erica goes home,

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but the experiment
has more to reveal.

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McNamara is beginning to connect the
balance of REM and non-REM dreams

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with the mental
well-being of us all.

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It could be a factor in depression.

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Normally we fall asleep through
non-REM sleep but depressives,

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people with endogenous depression
or severe depression,

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they go right to REM
and then they stay in REM

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and they spend too much time in REM.

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So if REM sleep is associated with
all this unpleasant emotion

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and you get too much REM,
then you are going to have

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a lot of unpleasant emotion.
We call that depression.

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So decades after the discovery of
REM sleep, scientists are beginning

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to understand the extent to which
dreams shape our waking lives.

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I descended from the sky onto this
kind of beautiful fairytale planet.

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I had a flat cardboard box,

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you know those ones
that you assemble together,

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and I took it up to this pyramid
and it had a severe drop at one end

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and I put it together.

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And then I jumped down
off the pyramid in the box

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and hit the pavement but the strange
thing was it didn't actually hurt.

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There's like this kind of spaceship
in the sky, very scary and all the

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water puddles if you touched
them you had, you catch on fire.

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To find out why dreams are
so central to our lives,

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one man has studied
those who don't dream.

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I frequently found
when I ask patients

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after they have sustained strokes
whether they are dreaming or not,

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initially they're not entirely sure
and then it's in the following days

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because they are now paying attention
to their dreams

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that they report to me
that they are no longer dreaming.

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Many of us believe we don't dream.

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In fact most of us do,
it's just we can't remember them.

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But Professor Mark Solms
has spent much of his career

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waking the rare individuals
who really do not report dreams.

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Following a stroke three years ago

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Heather Jones had just
such an experience.

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Before my stroke I definitely was
someone that had lots of dreams.

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After my stroke it was just,

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literally going to sleep
was like going into a blankness.

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It's almost as if you're
just absent for a while.

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There was just not that same sense
in the sleep or when I was waking up

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that I'd been dreaming.

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There was no memory of dreams and
no sense of having been dreaming.

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Heather's stroke affected a part of
the brain called the parietal lobe.

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Solms believes
this is where dreams are made.

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People with parietal damage, like
Heather sustained, frequently stop

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dreaming completely in the early
stages after the onset of the damage.

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That's because the parietal lobe

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serves the purpose of combining our different
senses, hearing and vision and touch.

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All come together there
and the imaginary space

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that we are living in during our dreams
is generated in that part of the brain,

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so if it's damaged you can't dream.

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This loss of dreaming
has debilitating consequences

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as Heather knows only too well.

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Although I could go to sleep very
easily, I wasn't having

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what I would call
good quality sleep.

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At night probably waking
several times through the night

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so I wasn't getting a continued
sort of period of sleep.

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When I woke up,
I just felt tired still.

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00:22:34,750 --> 00:22:38,035
The relationship
between sleep and loss of dreaming

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is in fact something that
I'm busy researching at the moment.

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Our preliminary findings suggest
that at least non-dreaming patients

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fall asleep perfectly easily but then
they keep on waking up throughout the

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night, in fact particularly during
REM sleep. It's almost as if

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when you might have expected that
they would be dreaming, they wake up.

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As bizarre as it may seem,

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Solms suggests dreams
could be a way of keeping us asleep.

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Solms has found that another part
of the brain, the motivation system,

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is also active during dreaming.

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And this has given him a further
idea about the reason why we dream.

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The fact that this part of the brain,

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the seeking system, is so active in
dreams, suggests that dreams,

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at minimum we have to say

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that dreams have some
kind of motivated search in them.

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We're seeking something
in our dreams.

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It may be the actual storyline of
the dream when we find ourselves

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wandering about some strange
landscape looking for something.

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Maybe that's
how this expresses itself.

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Solms believes
that this seeking activity

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symbolises the search for answers.

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00:23:57,510 --> 00:24:01,635
More likely, cos it's a more general
an explanation,

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is that we are grappling with some
sort of problem in our dreams

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and trying to find a solution
to some matter of current concern.

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00:24:09,745 --> 00:24:12,910
There's a kind of a searching
involved in that.

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In time, Heather made a recovery

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and once more she was able
to benefit from dreaming.

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It was an excitement really
when I began to dream again.

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I did tell people about it.
I told my partner, I told my physio

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cos it was something that I
hadn't thought would return.

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00:24:38,190 --> 00:24:40,395
If you're aware of having dreamt,

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that contributes to a feeling
you've had a good night's sleep.

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00:24:44,465 --> 00:24:46,350
And that's certainly how I feel.

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00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:54,190
So science has revealed
that dreams may have many purposes,

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a good night's sleep
a way of seeking solutions.

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They may even be a way of
maintaining our mental health.

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I was playing in my room
with my sister

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00:25:21,230 --> 00:25:25,470
and then I was about to go outside
and my mum said,

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keep your head up
because there is a witch about.

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00:25:29,710 --> 00:25:32,710
I was in the kitchen. I remember
it had really bright colours

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and a lot of sunshine

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and I saw a bug on the table and I
heard it say, "hamburger, hamburger. "

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00:25:38,705 --> 00:25:41,275
I take off and fly and I'm starting
to accelerate faster,

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00:25:41,310 --> 00:25:45,550
faster, faster and I realise I was
an electron inside an RCA circuit

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00:25:45,585 --> 00:25:47,870
moving around at the speed of light.

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00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:55,150
Whilst science has begun to unravel
many of the mysteries of dreams,

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there is one question that
has endured more than any other.

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00:25:58,945 --> 00:26:02,235
Do our dreams mean anything?

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00:26:02,270 --> 00:26:05,310
My interest in dreaming
as a scientist is boy,

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00:26:05,345 --> 00:26:07,967
I just want to understand
these things.

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00:26:08,002 --> 00:26:10,696
It's just so interesting
and so exciting.

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00:26:10,731 --> 00:26:13,390
What is more interesting
and fascinating

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and psychological than dreaming?

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00:26:19,470 --> 00:26:24,510
People intuitively know that there is
something about their dreams that is meaningful.

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00:26:24,545 --> 00:26:27,430
People are endlessly fascinated
by dreams.

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00:26:32,190 --> 00:26:34,995
This belief
that dreams mean something

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has been shared across the globe and
remains central to many cultures.

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Deep in the forests
of Northern Canada

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00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:46,350
on the banks of Sesikinikak Lake,
live the Itikemek people.

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00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:53,030
Interpreting the meaning
of their dreams

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00:26:53,065 --> 00:26:55,670
is at the very core
of the tribe's belief.

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00:27:23,310 --> 00:27:26,670
The Itikemek gather for
their morning dream circle

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00:27:26,705 --> 00:27:28,475
in which they share their dreams,

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00:27:28,510 --> 00:27:32,950
the elders drawing on their folklore
to tell them what they might mean.

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00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:52,150
Marianne is the elder and most
versed in understanding dreaming.

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00:27:58,390 --> 00:28:02,190
In the dream circle Pauline tells
of a second dream about her son

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00:28:02,225 --> 00:28:03,750
Ivan, a drug addict.

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00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:34,395
For the Itikemek,

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the question of whether dreams have
any significance is beyond doubt.

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00:28:39,425 --> 00:28:43,190
But is it possible for science to
find out what they might mean?

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00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:54,275
Throughout the 20th century
many psychologists,

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00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:58,550
led by Sigmund Freud, thought dreams
were symbols from our unconscious mind

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00:28:58,585 --> 00:29:00,550
which need to be interpreted.

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00:29:04,270 --> 00:29:08,630
Now in the Canadian city of Montreal
the power of modern mathematics

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00:29:08,665 --> 00:29:11,670
is being used to tell us
what dreams mean.

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00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:16,870
There is convincing evidence
that leads us to believe

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00:29:16,905 --> 00:29:18,955
that the content of dreams

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00:29:18,990 --> 00:29:22,430
tell us a lot about how
the brain can process information,

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00:29:22,465 --> 00:29:25,790
and is important for our
psychological well-being.

411
00:29:28,830 --> 00:29:33,830
Antonio Zadra is a scientist in the
University of Montreal's dream lab.

412
00:29:35,790 --> 00:29:39,035
Here he's collected
thousands of dreams.

413
00:29:39,070 --> 00:29:42,830
Each has been analysed to
see exactly what it's made of.

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00:29:42,865 --> 00:29:47,595
This rich content
is then turned into numbers.

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00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:51,430
Well, what we did is we
coded the entire dream series

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00:29:51,465 --> 00:29:53,990
in terms of various elements.

417
00:29:56,470 --> 00:30:01,110
Who are the characters,
the emotions, the settings?

418
00:30:01,145 --> 00:30:05,047
And then we entered these
quantifications,

419
00:30:05,082 --> 00:30:08,950
these resulting numbers
in our spreadsheet.

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00:30:08,985 --> 00:30:11,675
The result of this
painstaking process

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00:30:11,710 --> 00:30:15,170
is a comprehensive database
of our dream lives.

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00:30:15,205 --> 00:30:18,595
Zadra can tell us how often
we dream about sex,

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00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:22,330
and whether it involves our partner
or even a celebrity.

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00:30:22,365 --> 00:30:26,030
He can even tell us
how often we have negative dreams.

425
00:30:26,065 --> 00:30:28,955
But his database
doesn't explain the many.

426
00:30:28,990 --> 00:30:32,950
It is most revealing when telling us
about the dreams of an individual.

427
00:30:32,985 --> 00:30:35,595
We want to see a whole
series of dreams

428
00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:40,710
so that we can then detect patterns
that recur over that entire dream series

429
00:30:40,745 --> 00:30:45,790
and thus get a better idea of what this
person's dream life is generally like.

430
00:30:45,825 --> 00:30:50,190
By comparing these elements against
the norm, Zadra can interpret

431
00:30:50,225 --> 00:30:52,875
what someone's dreams mean.

432
00:30:52,910 --> 00:30:56,990
This is a series of dreams
from a 48-year-old professional man.

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00:30:57,025 --> 00:30:59,630
He calls his wife B.

434
00:31:01,630 --> 00:31:03,275
B and I are making breakfast.

435
00:31:03,310 --> 00:31:06,710
I was also brewing some coffee but
when I looked over at the coffee

436
00:31:06,745 --> 00:31:08,315
maker it was... overflowing.

437
00:31:08,350 --> 00:31:11,750
There was coffee all over the counter
and coffee just kept pouring out...

438
00:31:11,785 --> 00:31:14,427
B kept on yelling what did
you do, what did you do?

439
00:31:14,462 --> 00:31:17,070
I tried unplugging it...
I removed the glass container

440
00:31:17,105 --> 00:31:19,110
but it wouldn't stop.

441
00:31:20,670 --> 00:31:24,190
His mother arrives, he's
inconsolable and parents too.

442
00:31:24,225 --> 00:31:25,835
But the mother keeps telling people

443
00:31:25,870 --> 00:31:30,590
it's all my fault, it's loud and I
try to defend myself like wake up.

444
00:31:30,625 --> 00:31:33,235
And from this series of dreams

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00:31:33,270 --> 00:31:36,715
Zadra spots misfortune
as a recurring feature.

446
00:31:36,750 --> 00:31:39,790
When I tried to move the car
the wheels just kept spinning...

447
00:31:39,825 --> 00:31:42,315
B was getting very upset
and was telling me there

448
00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:46,350
was still too much snow. I got out
again and everything seems OK...

449
00:31:46,385 --> 00:31:51,190
I got back in but nothing happened
just more spinning...

450
00:31:56,230 --> 00:32:00,435
In fact 80% of these dreams
contain some sort of misfortune.

451
00:32:00,470 --> 00:32:04,270
Yet on his database, Zadra finds
the average occurrence of misfortune

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00:32:04,305 --> 00:32:08,630
in the dreams of middle aged men
is just 30%.

453
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:14,235
The other thing that really stands
out with his dream series

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00:32:14,270 --> 00:32:18,131
is that almost all of the other
characters in his dreams are women.

455
00:32:18,166 --> 00:32:22,646
There's an, almost an absence of
male figures and the interactions

456
00:32:22,681 --> 00:32:25,835
he has with these women
is almost invariably negative.

457
00:32:25,870 --> 00:32:29,710
Once more the frequency of these
negative dreams about women

458
00:32:29,745 --> 00:32:33,550
is far higher than the norm. If
I were to make an educated guess

459
00:32:33,585 --> 00:32:36,795
about what is going on
in this particular man's life,

460
00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:40,590
is that there seems to be concerns
about relationship issues

461
00:32:40,625 --> 00:32:44,790
and also he is definitely
overwhelmed by factors

462
00:32:44,825 --> 00:32:47,635
which are impacting him negatively

463
00:32:47,670 --> 00:32:50,950
but which he feels
he has no control over.

464
00:32:50,985 --> 00:32:53,395
So it came as no surprise to Zadra

465
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:56,350
to learn what happened
to this couple.

466
00:32:56,385 --> 00:32:58,790
Five years later they divorced.

467
00:33:01,270 --> 00:33:04,715
Zadra has worked out the norm
for many dream events.

468
00:33:04,750 --> 00:33:08,670
Only a fifth of woman's dreams
about sex involved their partners

469
00:33:08,705 --> 00:33:12,635
but for men it's even less,
just a sixth of the time,

470
00:33:12,670 --> 00:33:16,790
and women should be dreaming
about having sex with celebrities

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00:33:16,825 --> 00:33:18,835
twice as often as men.

472
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:23,870
But sadly more than three-quarters
of our dreams are negative.

473
00:33:23,905 --> 00:33:27,195
Most of all,
the database reveals that our dreams

474
00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:31,070
are a much more straightforward
reflection of our waking concerns

475
00:33:31,105 --> 00:33:33,315
than previously thought.

476
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:38,510
Dreams do not hide their meanings
but are relatively transparent

477
00:33:38,545 --> 00:33:41,710
and I think there is good evidence
to suggest that dreams

478
00:33:41,745 --> 00:33:44,675
tend to reflect people's
emotional concerns

479
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:48,550
and also things that preoccupy them
in their social lives.

480
00:33:56,270 --> 00:33:58,875
Dreams don't just have meaning.

481
00:33:58,910 --> 00:34:02,230
They have been the source of some
of the great moments of genius

482
00:34:02,265 --> 00:34:06,590
in human history and ultimately
have changed the world.

483
00:34:06,625 --> 00:34:11,110
Dreams have been responsible
for two Nobel prizes,

484
00:34:11,145 --> 00:34:14,150
the invention of a couple
of major drugs,

485
00:34:14,185 --> 00:34:16,715
other scientific discoveries,

486
00:34:16,750 --> 00:34:21,310
several important political events
and innumerable novels,

487
00:34:21,345 --> 00:34:23,475
films and works of visual art,

488
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:26,915
so they've been very important
in our society.

489
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:30,630
Professor Deirdre Barrett from
Harvard Medical School has been

490
00:34:30,665 --> 00:34:34,310
studying just how it is that dreams
can help us solve problems

491
00:34:34,345 --> 00:34:37,195
which we cannot crack
in our waking lives.

492
00:34:37,230 --> 00:34:41,470
We can see things much more clearly
when we think about them in dreams

493
00:34:41,505 --> 00:34:43,915
and it also helps us
think outside the box.

494
00:34:43,950 --> 00:34:47,270
Our associations are looser and
more intuitive and less linear.

495
00:34:47,305 --> 00:34:50,315
The classic symbol of science,

496
00:34:50,350 --> 00:34:53,870
the periodic table of the elements,
is said to have come

497
00:34:53,905 --> 00:34:57,390
to the Russian chemist
Dimitri Mendelay during a dream.

498
00:35:01,710 --> 00:35:05,950
In 1844 American inventor
Elias Howe was trying to design

499
00:35:05,985 --> 00:35:07,395
his first sewing machine

500
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:10,595
but he couldn't work
out how to make it hold the needle.

501
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:16,390
One night he dreamt of being
attacked by savages with spears.

502
00:35:16,425 --> 00:35:20,715
As he woke up in terror,
the last thing he saw

503
00:35:20,750 --> 00:35:25,010
was that all of their spears had the
hole at the pointed tip of the spear

504
00:35:25,045 --> 00:35:29,270
and he realised that's where you put
the hole in a sewing machine needle.

505
00:35:32,190 --> 00:35:35,990
This extraordinary creativity
can even be found in literature.

506
00:35:36,025 --> 00:35:39,630
The story of Frankenstein
was dreamt up by Mary Shelley.

507
00:35:42,110 --> 00:35:45,510
This ability to harness dreams
and solve problems

508
00:35:45,545 --> 00:35:47,715
is not just the preserve of genius.

509
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:51,075
It seems that many of us
can also do it.

510
00:35:51,110 --> 00:35:54,970
Just say to oneself,
I want to dream about X tonight

511
00:35:55,005 --> 00:35:58,830
as you're drifting off to sleep
and in my research

512
00:35:58,865 --> 00:36:01,915
I find that about 50% of people
can do that

513
00:36:01,950 --> 00:36:05,915
if they just practice that
for a brief period of time,

514
00:36:05,950 --> 00:36:09,950
and about half will get an
answer that is really gratifying

515
00:36:09,985 --> 00:36:12,070
to whatever the issue is.

516
00:36:15,710 --> 00:36:19,330
But the usefulness of dreams
does not just stop there.

517
00:36:19,365 --> 00:36:22,950
It has recently been discovered
that we can use our dreams

518
00:36:22,985 --> 00:36:24,430
to help us learn in our sleep.

519
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:28,830
The scientist behind this
latest breakthrough

520
00:36:28,865 --> 00:36:30,950
is Professor Robert Stickgold.

521
00:36:33,110 --> 00:36:37,870
A dream tells us more in some ways
about what's happening in the brain

522
00:36:37,905 --> 00:36:39,475
while we're sleeping

523
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:43,830
than any other scientific method
we have of investigating it.

524
00:36:43,865 --> 00:36:46,190
Stickgold has devised an
experiment that reveals

525
00:36:46,225 --> 00:36:48,350
just how dreams affect our learning.

526
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:49,115
just how dreams affect our learning.

527
00:36:49,150 --> 00:36:53,275
So John here is
mostly just having a lot of fun.

528
00:36:53,310 --> 00:36:56,630
He's learning how to play this game,
Alpine Racer II,

529
00:36:56,665 --> 00:36:59,035
which is
a downhill skiing simulator.

530
00:36:59,070 --> 00:37:03,310
He actually controls that character
on the screen by moving his feet

531
00:37:03,345 --> 00:37:07,430
and he's learning a lot about how
to do it, and what we think

532
00:37:07,465 --> 00:37:09,915
is that as the brain goes to sleep,

533
00:37:09,950 --> 00:37:12,955
it's going to come back
to these images.

534
00:37:12,990 --> 00:37:17,130
It's intense. I'm trying to beat
a time and I'm trying to stay

535
00:37:17,165 --> 00:37:21,270
in between these gates and it's
difficult, but it's a lot of fun.

536
00:37:34,510 --> 00:37:37,595
Once John has gone to sleep,
Stickgold wakes him

537
00:37:37,630 --> 00:37:40,230
through the night
to see how his dreams have changed.

538
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:46,070
Stickgold found that whilst subjects
initially dream about the game,

539
00:37:46,105 --> 00:37:48,350
their later dreams
draw on other memories.

540
00:37:53,310 --> 00:37:59,710
Please report now. I was walking
through... bootprints in the snow.

541
00:37:59,745 --> 00:38:03,430
Some had made bootprints like
copying them,

542
00:38:03,465 --> 00:38:04,715
going into the ones,

543
00:38:04,750 --> 00:38:09,290
stepping into the ones
that were already stepped in,

544
00:38:09,325 --> 00:38:13,795
like following somebody else's steps
along in the snow.

545
00:38:13,830 --> 00:38:18,470
The image that he gets is walking
through snow and stepping into the

546
00:38:18,505 --> 00:38:23,110
steps that he or someone else had
laid down before him, and of course

547
00:38:23,145 --> 00:38:27,110
how much easier it is to walk
through the snow if you go exactly

548
00:38:27,145 --> 00:38:31,435
where you stepped last time.
In these associations,

549
00:38:31,470 --> 00:38:35,990
Stickgold perceives a clear link
between dreams and memory.

550
00:38:36,025 --> 00:38:38,595
I have this image that
what's happening

551
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:41,795
is the brain is not just paying
attention to the game

552
00:38:41,830 --> 00:38:45,550
but is trying to say, what is that
like, what other memories do I have

553
00:38:45,585 --> 00:38:50,750
that's like that? And he thinks
about moving through snow

554
00:38:50,785 --> 00:38:53,790
and I can just imagine the brain
trying to say,

555
00:38:53,825 --> 00:38:56,115
so when I try to ski
this next time,

556
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:59,790
shall I try to do it exactly
the way I did it last time?

557
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:09,070
As John takes to the ski game once
again, his performance has improved.

558
00:39:10,670 --> 00:39:14,110
I was kind of hitting the wall
coming up on this part

559
00:39:14,145 --> 00:39:17,907
but I think I can avoid it...

560
00:39:17,942 --> 00:39:21,670
Yeah. I think that's pretty good.

561
00:39:23,470 --> 00:39:25,875
And it is this improvement

562
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:29,590
that demonstrates dreams
are central to the way we learn.

563
00:39:29,625 --> 00:39:33,235
They know that they are getting
better when they play again

564
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:36,470
and in other studies we've evidence
that when they dream about it,

565
00:39:36,505 --> 00:39:38,635
those people who dream about it

566
00:39:38,670 --> 00:39:42,155
actually end up
performing better the next time.

567
00:39:42,190 --> 00:39:46,670
So in dreaming, Stickgold believes
that we are bringing new experience

568
00:39:46,705 --> 00:39:49,955
to bear on old memories,
and this is how we learn.

569
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:54,790
Maybe the most important thing we
do with memories is not keep them

570
00:39:54,825 --> 00:39:57,155
crystallised the way they happened,

571
00:39:57,190 --> 00:40:01,395
but taking them apart and
figuring out what's important

572
00:40:01,430 --> 00:40:06,190
about what happened to us, and how
that relates to everything else

573
00:40:06,225 --> 00:40:10,515
that's happened in the past,
and figuring out what that means

574
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:15,510
about our future, about what we are
going to do tomorrow, a month in the

575
00:40:15,545 --> 00:40:19,355
future, a year in the future,
how can I use that information.

576
00:40:19,390 --> 00:40:23,990
In some ways, the most brilliant
thing that the human brain can do

577
00:40:24,025 --> 00:40:27,830
is that kind of extraction
and meaning-making.

578
00:40:36,030 --> 00:40:40,070
As we slumber through the dark hours
of the night, these visions

579
00:40:40,105 --> 00:40:44,110
which haunt our mind are not just
random signals in our brain.

580
00:40:44,145 --> 00:40:46,115
They have a purpose.

581
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:49,470
Science has shown that there is
an important connection

582
00:40:49,505 --> 00:40:51,990
between our dreams and our memories.

583
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:57,835
As well as these beneficial traits,

584
00:40:57,870 --> 00:41:03,590
we all know that dreams
have another side.

585
00:41:03,625 --> 00:41:07,915
It's dark outside, kind of raining,

586
00:41:07,950 --> 00:41:11,910
very, very, scary ominous, and it's
like this kind of spaceship...

587
00:41:11,945 --> 00:41:13,995
And an arm with these huge chains

588
00:41:14,030 --> 00:41:18,195
with this big stone tablet all
inscribed with hieroglyphics...

589
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:22,990
A man comes through the back of
the wall behind the bed and he comes

590
00:41:23,025 --> 00:41:27,750
through the wall like this kind of
thing and then he gets a hold of us

591
00:41:27,785 --> 00:41:30,355
by my feet and he starts pulling
us out of my bed

592
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:33,990
and then I feel as though I'm trying
to cling on to the bed

593
00:41:34,025 --> 00:41:37,590
and he's saying really horrible
things, really scary things.

594
00:41:43,350 --> 00:41:46,795
There is one man who believes
these terrifying incidents

595
00:41:46,830 --> 00:41:51,430
are good for us, that without them
humanity could not survive.

596
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:59,070
Antti Revonsuo is a Finnish
scientist who collects nightmares.

597
00:41:59,105 --> 00:42:02,115
He thinks that many of the
bad dreams we have today

598
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:05,990
are the same as those experienced
by our ancient ancestors.

599
00:42:06,025 --> 00:42:11,007
Oh, it's pretty certain
that our ancestors did dream

600
00:42:11,042 --> 00:42:15,336
because dreaming seems to be
biologically programmed

601
00:42:15,371 --> 00:42:19,630
into our brain, and the brain
that our ancestors had

602
00:42:19,665 --> 00:42:22,750
was pretty much identical
with our brain.

603
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:30,195
And we know that our ancestors lived

604
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:36,830
in an environment which was full of
all sorts of fatal dangers.

605
00:42:38,430 --> 00:42:40,850
What has led Revonsuo
to these conclusions

606
00:42:40,885 --> 00:42:43,270
is his study of children's
nightmares.

607
00:42:47,710 --> 00:42:53,330
There was one wolf and he started
chasing me, and I ran and ran

608
00:42:53,365 --> 00:42:58,737
and ran, and afterwards,
he stopped for a minute and barked,

609
00:42:58,772 --> 00:43:04,075
and then another wolf came and
another and another and another

610
00:43:04,110 --> 00:43:10,270
and then in the end there was a whole
pack of wolves with big long teeth

611
00:43:10,305 --> 00:43:15,590
and they were very, very hairy
and big and scary

612
00:43:15,625 --> 00:43:18,870
and they started chasing me.

613
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:24,430
According to Revonsuo,
we have inherited these dreams

614
00:43:24,465 --> 00:43:28,167
populated by wild animals
and monsters for a reason.

615
00:43:28,202 --> 00:43:31,870
They are rehearsals
for the daily struggle to survive.

616
00:43:31,905 --> 00:43:35,287
The nature of bad dreams
and nightmares

617
00:43:35,322 --> 00:43:38,635
is that they contain
threatening events

618
00:43:38,670 --> 00:43:44,550
and they force us to go through
those simulated threatening events

619
00:43:44,585 --> 00:43:47,595
in order that in the waking world

620
00:43:47,630 --> 00:43:52,750
we encounter similar or different
kinds of threatening events

621
00:43:52,785 --> 00:43:57,267
and then we are more prepared
to survive those

622
00:43:57,302 --> 00:44:01,750
when we have been training for them
in our dreams.

623
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:08,270
This mechanism for rehearsing
stressful events will stay with us

624
00:44:08,305 --> 00:44:10,595
for all our lives,
but as we grow up,

625
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:15,150
dreams about wild animals are
replaced by modern horrors.

626
00:44:15,185 --> 00:44:17,687
I was dreaming that I couldn't find
the class

627
00:44:17,722 --> 00:44:20,155
and then my friend had to come to
this class

628
00:44:20,190 --> 00:44:24,550
and I couldn't find her either
and she couldn't find me

629
00:44:24,585 --> 00:44:26,595
and on my way to the class,

630
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:29,675
the elevator,
you know, I opened the elevator...

631
00:44:29,710 --> 00:44:34,690
the door of the elevator and I
hit a little girl and she died.

632
00:44:34,725 --> 00:44:39,635
Adults have very modern types of
nightmares and bad dreams

633
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:44,710
like losing your wallet, crashing
you car or something like that

634
00:44:44,745 --> 00:44:46,475
so it seems our brain

635
00:44:46,510 --> 00:44:54,030
is capable of adjusting itself
and including more modern threats.

636
00:44:54,065 --> 00:44:57,275
Although we may dread our
nightmares,

637
00:44:57,310 --> 00:45:01,150
they actually help us deal with
the day ahead, and as a species,

638
00:45:01,185 --> 00:45:03,550
we should be thankful for these
fearsome visions.

639
00:45:03,585 --> 00:45:06,155
Bad dreams and nightmares
are a good thing.

640
00:45:06,190 --> 00:45:13,670
They force us to be prepared for
similar events in the waking world.

641
00:45:13,705 --> 00:45:16,155
Without nightmares and bad dreams

642
00:45:16,190 --> 00:45:20,710
there is a good chance
that humanity wouldn't be here.

643
00:45:20,745 --> 00:45:24,635
But for some,
the reoccurrence of nightmares,

644
00:45:24,670 --> 00:45:28,190
far from helping us to survive in
the waking world,

645
00:45:28,225 --> 00:45:30,355
has exactly the opposite effect.

646
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:34,270
There are people who suffer
an experience so dreadful

647
00:45:34,305 --> 00:45:38,115
that it reappears in their dreams
again and again.

648
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:42,230
The one nightmare I had regularly
when I came back from hospital

649
00:45:42,265 --> 00:45:44,955
was I'd be trapped,
like I was in hospital.

650
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:48,510
I'd feel like my arms would be like
this, my legs would be like that.

651
00:45:48,545 --> 00:45:52,110
I couldn't move, I couldn't move
any thing and I couldn't speak

652
00:45:52,145 --> 00:45:55,955
and he'd always come, be at the side.

653
00:45:55,990 --> 00:46:00,670
Sarah Michael's nightmares were
caused by events in her waking life.

654
00:46:00,705 --> 00:46:03,115
They started after the relationship

655
00:46:03,150 --> 00:46:06,155
with her then-partner
broke down spectacularly.

656
00:46:06,190 --> 00:46:11,310
And I was just sitting there,
and he could be really normal

657
00:46:11,345 --> 00:46:13,635
and then just flip like that

658
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:18,190
and just suddenly, he just got up and
stood over me and he just went whack!

659
00:46:18,225 --> 00:46:23,195
Right into, right into here and...
and just like,

660
00:46:23,230 --> 00:46:27,830
it's very difficult to remember
the exact way that he did it.

661
00:46:27,865 --> 00:46:31,627
I just remember this great
big looming person over me

662
00:46:31,662 --> 00:46:35,390
and remember the baby was there,
the baby started crying

663
00:46:35,425 --> 00:46:38,355
and then the first impact
I felt something crack,

664
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:42,630
and I knew immediately something
was wrong but I didn't know what

665
00:46:42,665 --> 00:46:45,470
and I screamed in pain
and fell onto the floor.

666
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:56,150
The next day she collapsed in agony
and was rushed to hospital.

667
00:46:56,185 --> 00:47:00,550
There, doctors diagnosed broken ribs
and a ruptured spleen.

668
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:07,510
Her then-partner
came to see her in Intensive Care.

669
00:47:09,470 --> 00:47:11,275
That was really scary as well

670
00:47:11,310 --> 00:47:15,390
because he was trying to make out
that it wasn't as bad as it was,

671
00:47:15,425 --> 00:47:18,670
so he was telling me that he loved me
and he didn't mean it

672
00:47:18,705 --> 00:47:20,675
but then he would swap and change

673
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:24,590
and say it was my fault because
that's what he did, he confused me.

674
00:47:24,625 --> 00:47:28,475
When we are traumatised by an event,
the memory is stored

675
00:47:28,510 --> 00:47:33,150
in the part of the brain which deals
with raw emotion, the amygdala.

676
00:47:33,185 --> 00:47:37,795
The memory is frozen there
and replayed again and again.

677
00:47:37,830 --> 00:47:41,990
This is what happened to Sarah so
her dreams, rather than processing

678
00:47:42,025 --> 00:47:46,230
and resolving her memories,
only served to reinforce them.

679
00:47:48,270 --> 00:47:52,750
With every nightmare the traumatic
memories became worse and worse

680
00:47:52,785 --> 00:47:56,235
until they reappeared
in her waking life as well.

681
00:47:56,270 --> 00:48:00,830
Driving, I'd look in my rear view
mirror and I'd think he's behind me,

682
00:48:00,865 --> 00:48:04,835
in the car behind me
but I knew it couldn't be him

683
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:08,350
but my mind was telling me that it
was him, even though I knew

684
00:48:08,385 --> 00:48:10,907
that he couldn't and literally
I had to stop my car

685
00:48:10,942 --> 00:48:13,906
and I'd have to park up
because I couldn't breathe.

686
00:48:13,941 --> 00:48:17,245
I thought if I can't breathe,
I'm going to crash.

687
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,550
Eventually Sarah became
imprisoned by her dreams,

688
00:48:20,585 --> 00:48:23,767
too afraid to leave the house.

689
00:48:23,802 --> 00:48:26,915
I convinced myself that I was mad.

690
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:30,710
I felt mad. Everything that I took,
cos I wasn't sleeping,

691
00:48:30,745 --> 00:48:32,790
and I went to my doctor
and I said, "I'm mad. "

692
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:39,030
After three years of terror,
Sarah was finally diagnosed

693
00:48:39,065 --> 00:48:41,767
with Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome.

694
00:48:41,802 --> 00:48:44,276
Following many months
of counselling,

695
00:48:44,311 --> 00:48:46,715
she was released
from her nightmares.

696
00:48:46,750 --> 00:48:51,010
The more I talked about it, the less
power it had to frighten me

697
00:48:51,045 --> 00:48:55,270
so we'd talk about it quite a lot
but it didn't seem so scary.

698
00:48:55,305 --> 00:48:58,070
Once we did all the talking
it wasn't so powerful

699
00:48:58,105 --> 00:49:00,235
and each time if felt safer and safer

700
00:49:00,270 --> 00:49:03,610
like I could tell you now
and only I don't feel upset

701
00:49:03,645 --> 00:49:06,915
and my hands aren't sweaty,
I don't feel traumatised.

702
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:10,910
It just seems something that happened
and it's not happening any more.

703
00:49:10,945 --> 00:49:13,070
It's been, it's gone, it's finished.

704
00:49:20,830 --> 00:49:24,235
Sarah's story shows
that the power of the mind

705
00:49:24,270 --> 00:49:29,230
can be harnessed to overcome even
the most debilitating of dreams.

706
00:49:30,830 --> 00:49:34,670
It appears that there is a fine line
between dreaming and being awake.

707
00:49:34,705 --> 00:49:36,395
What keeps them apart

708
00:49:36,430 --> 00:49:40,470
is the degree to which the outside
world impinges on our consciousness.

709
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:50,555
The relationship between
dreams and consciousness

710
00:49:50,590 --> 00:49:56,550
is I think we could actually say that
we are dreaming all of the time.

711
00:49:56,585 --> 00:50:01,267
It's just that during
wakefulness our dreams are shaped

712
00:50:01,302 --> 00:50:05,915
by stimulus information
that's coming through our senses,

713
00:50:05,950 --> 00:50:11,830
whereas during dreaming, the same
consciousness within our brains

714
00:50:11,865 --> 00:50:14,790
is not shaped
by any external information

715
00:50:14,825 --> 00:50:16,795
but it's generated internally.

716
00:50:16,830 --> 00:50:22,730
So I think that life is a dream
which is guided by the senses.

717
00:50:22,765 --> 00:50:28,630
When awake, we appear to have
control over our conscious state

718
00:50:28,665 --> 00:50:30,555
but there are a rare few

719
00:50:30,590 --> 00:50:34,030
who can extend control of their
consciousness into their sleep

720
00:50:34,065 --> 00:50:37,710
and bring the worlds of dreams
and wakefulness together.

721
00:50:37,745 --> 00:50:41,555
These people are
called lucid dreamers.

722
00:50:41,590 --> 00:50:45,710
For one controversial scientist,
an episode of lucid dreaming

723
00:50:45,745 --> 00:50:49,030
was so powerful it changed
the course of his life.

724
00:50:49,065 --> 00:50:52,275
His name is Stephen LaBerge.

725
00:50:52,310 --> 00:50:56,390
I had a couple of lucid dreams
where you know just spontaneously

726
00:50:56,425 --> 00:50:59,630
I had, "ah this is a dream
and this is interesting,

727
00:50:59,665 --> 00:51:01,715
"I want to learn more about it. "

728
00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:06,115
I started reading books about it
and found out

729
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:10,230
in the late '70s that most experts
in sleep research and dreaming

730
00:51:10,265 --> 00:51:13,030
thought that lucid dreams
were impossible.

731
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:18,530
LaBerge set about
proving the experts wrong

732
00:51:18,565 --> 00:51:22,430
and devised an ingenious
experiment to do so.

733
00:51:22,465 --> 00:51:24,315
Before his subjects went to sleep,

734
00:51:24,350 --> 00:51:26,515
LaBerge gave them a simple
instruction -

735
00:51:26,550 --> 00:51:30,230
if they became aware of a flashing
light during their dream

736
00:51:30,265 --> 00:51:33,910
they were to move their eyes,
first left and then right.

737
00:51:36,830 --> 00:51:41,230
Then as they dreamt,
LaBerge shone a light in their eyes.

738
00:51:42,990 --> 00:51:46,230
Remarkably the dreamer responded.

739
00:51:47,830 --> 00:51:51,290
A person could simply look to
the left and look to the right,

740
00:51:51,325 --> 00:51:54,750
and left to right, and that would be
a pre-agreed upon signal

741
00:51:54,785 --> 00:51:57,230
and so indeed that turned out
to be possible.

742
00:51:59,270 --> 00:52:03,510
Having demonstrated that lucid
dreaming was possible,

743
00:52:03,545 --> 00:52:05,590
LaBerge left the world
of science behind.

744
00:52:11,470 --> 00:52:13,795
Nowadays on the big island
of Hawaii,

745
00:52:13,830 --> 00:52:17,970
LaBerge gathers groups of people
for lucid dreaming workshops

746
00:52:18,005 --> 00:52:22,110
and he uses a technique which draws
on his early experiments.

747
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:27,050
The students are given a mask
with a flashing light.

748
00:52:27,085 --> 00:52:29,870
If they can learn to respond
to this whilst asleep,

749
00:52:29,905 --> 00:52:33,270
then they are lucid dreamers.

750
00:52:41,950 --> 00:52:45,355
LaBerge wants his students
to go one step further

751
00:52:45,390 --> 00:52:48,990
by learning how to become
self-aware during their dreams.

752
00:52:49,025 --> 00:52:52,435
So one of the best dream signs

753
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:57,550
is not even what you are
seeing or feeling

754
00:52:57,585 --> 00:53:01,247
out in the inner dream world.

755
00:53:01,282 --> 00:53:04,875
It's reflecting on your thoughts

756
00:53:04,910 --> 00:53:08,355
of what's going through
my mind right now.

757
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:12,010
And asking the question
would this happen in real life?

758
00:53:12,045 --> 00:53:15,777
If my count of limbs multiplies,
I know I'm dreaming

759
00:53:15,812 --> 00:53:19,475
cos they don't usually
just reproduce like that OK?

760
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:23,850
Most people are here to explore
the amazing world of dreams

761
00:53:23,885 --> 00:53:28,190
and for some, LaBerge believes
it has a more serious use.

762
00:53:28,225 --> 00:53:30,915
Facing and overcoming nightmares

763
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:34,075
is I think one of the most
important applications.

764
00:53:34,110 --> 00:53:38,090
For people with nightmares, it's
learning to understand what they are,

765
00:53:38,125 --> 00:53:42,070
they stop frightening you and it's
a very compelling powerful tool

766
00:53:42,105 --> 00:53:44,395
for personal integration, I believe.

767
00:53:44,430 --> 00:53:47,830
For Justin it's the hope
of overcoming nightmares

768
00:53:47,865 --> 00:53:50,435
that has brought him to the island.

769
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:56,110
Well, I'm basically hoping to develop
my ability to have lucid dreaming.

770
00:53:56,145 --> 00:54:01,367
I am a recovering alcoholic and I'm
bothered a lot of times by dreams

771
00:54:01,402 --> 00:54:06,590
about drinking and anxiety, and those
are very disturbing kinds of dreams

772
00:54:06,625 --> 00:54:10,630
and I would really like to be
able to gain control over those

773
00:54:10,665 --> 00:54:14,667
and work through it in my sleep
so that when I am awake

774
00:54:14,702 --> 00:54:18,670
I can help myself to reduce
my thoughts about alcohol.

775
00:54:19,830 --> 00:54:23,870
That night Justin, helped by the
flashing lights of the facemask,

776
00:54:23,905 --> 00:54:28,550
goes to bed determined
to take control of his dream.

777
00:54:28,585 --> 00:54:31,870
In the morning,
he reports to the group.

778
00:54:31,905 --> 00:54:34,395
I was having sex

779
00:54:34,430 --> 00:54:37,350
and I saw a flash of light
off to the side

780
00:54:37,385 --> 00:54:40,435
and I saw someone taking photographs.

781
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:45,550
My first thought was I've got to
get the camera and I chased him.

782
00:54:45,585 --> 00:54:49,830
In this scenario, LaBerge sees
the first signs of lucidity.

783
00:54:49,865 --> 00:54:52,715
The camera represents
the flashing light.

784
00:54:52,750 --> 00:54:57,790
Next time I'm having sex and lights
are flashing I'll just say hey...

785
00:54:57,825 --> 00:55:00,955
does this usually happen?
LAUGHTER

786
00:55:00,990 --> 00:55:03,990
Over the next few nights
Justin hones his skills

787
00:55:04,025 --> 00:55:07,350
until he finally has
his first lucid dream.

788
00:55:07,385 --> 00:55:10,230
It was one of the most
exciting things

789
00:55:10,265 --> 00:55:12,595
that has ever happened to me.

790
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:16,870
I was asleep and suddenly I realised
I was awake,

791
00:55:16,905 --> 00:55:21,110
and I just had a flood
of excitement and ecstasy

792
00:55:21,145 --> 00:55:24,115
and was aware that I was dreaming

793
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:29,950
even though I was in the bed and
I was able to do incredible things.

794
00:55:29,985 --> 00:55:32,475
I stretched my arms really far

795
00:55:32,510 --> 00:55:35,870
and I drew a door in the air
with a pencil

796
00:55:35,905 --> 00:55:39,195
and then became so excited,
I woke up.

797
00:55:39,230 --> 00:55:44,150
Taking control of our dream lives
is an ability from which

798
00:55:44,185 --> 00:55:47,115
LaBerge believes we can all benefit.

799
00:55:47,150 --> 00:55:51,930
It seems to me that lucid dreaming
is a skill that ought to be taught

800
00:55:51,965 --> 00:55:56,710
in grammar school where it's just
hey here's something you can do.

801
00:55:56,745 --> 00:55:59,990
It's a place you can
experiment with your life

802
00:56:00,025 --> 00:56:02,190
without worrying about consequences.

803
00:56:06,190 --> 00:56:09,510
So science is finding our dreams
are many things.

804
00:56:12,190 --> 00:56:15,990
A crucial evolutionary device
developed by our minds

805
00:56:16,025 --> 00:56:18,830
to help us consolidate our memories.

806
00:56:18,865 --> 00:56:22,427
A way to solve our problems.

807
00:56:22,462 --> 00:56:25,990
Dreams even help us to survive.

808
00:56:26,025 --> 00:56:28,035
Throughout the long night,

809
00:56:28,070 --> 00:56:31,915
our mind is training us
to face the coming day.

810
00:56:31,950 --> 00:56:36,990
The important thing is just to go
through the training and then we get

811
00:56:37,025 --> 00:56:40,190
all the training benefits,
even if during wakefulness

812
00:56:40,225 --> 00:56:42,630
we have no idea
we've been training all night.

813
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:49,235
I think that their value lies

814
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:52,235
in what a different mode
of thought they are.

815
00:56:52,270 --> 00:56:56,750
They're so much more intuitive
and visual a mode of thinking

816
00:56:56,785 --> 00:57:00,007
and in our culture,
we spend so much time

817
00:57:00,042 --> 00:57:03,230
in this very logical
linear mode of thinking

818
00:57:03,265 --> 00:57:05,155
that their main benefit lies

819
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:08,070
in presenting
such a different point of view

820
00:57:08,105 --> 00:57:10,390
to how we usually approach things.

821
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:16,710
Our brain is working on figuring
out the importance

822
00:57:16,745 --> 00:57:19,435
and significance of events
from our days,

823
00:57:19,470 --> 00:57:22,790
how they fit together
with old events in our past,

824
00:57:22,825 --> 00:57:26,110
what they mean about likely events
in the future

825
00:57:26,145 --> 00:57:29,155
and if that processing
is functional,

826
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:33,435
as I believe it must be, then our
dreams are telling us something

827
00:57:33,470 --> 00:57:38,990
about what's important to us and the
meaning of the events in our lives.

828
00:57:39,025 --> 00:57:42,995
So tonight, as you enter the
wonderful world of dreams,

829
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:48,950
lie back and let your mind take
you on the adventure of a lifetime.

