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THIS PROGRAMME CONTAINS SOME SCENES
WHICH SOME VIEWERS MAY FIND UPSETTING

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At the end of World War Two,
the Nuremberg trials brought

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some of the most prominent members
of the Third Reich to justice.

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But thousands of high-ranking Nazis,

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who participated in the systematic
murder of millions,

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slipped through the net
and escaped around the world.

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More than 60 years later, one man
is still trying to hunt them down.

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For decades, Nazi hunters have been
trying to trace the most-wanted

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war criminals still alive
from the Second World War.

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This is the most wanted
Nazi in the world today.

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He's believed to still
be alive and aged 93.

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Aribert Heim
was a member of Hitler's SS.

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He killed hundreds using
methods that are painful,

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even to contemplate.

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He often refused to
administer anaesthetic,

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despite acquiring the name Dr Death.

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64 years after the end
of World War Two,

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the horrors of the Holocaust
remain, for some, far from history.

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Efraim Zuroff is one
of the world's last Nazi hunters.

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The very notion that
someone like myself,

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who was born after World War Two,

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spent most of his adult life
hunting Nazis is absurd.

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This is something that should
have been done long before I
started, right when I was born.

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In theory there should have
been nothing for me to do
but that's not the reality.

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The reality is very different.

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Every name of every place here, in
a sense, is a story of mass murder

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but I have to say this is not
a personal thing for me,

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this is a tragedy
of the Jewish people

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and, as such, it deserves
that the effort be made.

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Over the last 30 years, Zuroff has
helped track down and prosecute

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over 24 Nazi war criminals

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including Dinko Sakic, Commandant
of the Jasenovac concentration camp

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and Aleksandras Lileikis
the commander of the notorious
Lithuanian security police.

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Now he has drawn up a list
of those still at large.

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He's determined to catch them all.

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Some of them are over 90,
some of them are under 90,

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the question is whether
or not they're healthy

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and they understand what's going on.

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All of these people...

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He's called this final campaign,
Operation Last Chance.

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There's substantial money on offer
for anyone providing information

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that leads to the arrest or
conviction of one of his targets.

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All the suspects are either in
the late 80's or early 90's

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and time is literally running out.

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You know, we're on the final
stretch, we're in injury time now.

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I think that is the
best way of putting it.

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Whatever goals we're able to score

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are a bonus, you could say.

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These are people who never
thought in a million years

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they'd be brought to justice.

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You just have to hang in there.

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A certain element is
the element of perseverance.

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Having said that,

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there's no question that we're facing
the end of this operation,

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the end of this project,
the end of these efforts.

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That will really close a chapter

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in the history of the
Holocaust and its aftermath.

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For Zuroff, this chapter
won't be finally closed

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until one man is caught.

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In October 1941, an Austrian
SS doctor called Aribert Heim

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was assigned to
Mauthausen concentration camp.

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At just 26,
Heim had graduated from Vienna's
medical school the previous year.

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He had shown a particular
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but when he arrived at Mauthausen,

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Heim had little interest
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instead they became victims

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on whom he performed sadistic
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In the six weeks he was at the camp,

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he allegedly murdered
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His procedures included
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often timing them to see
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He would amputate limbs without
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He would even keep
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using skin as a lampshade
and a skull as a paperweight.

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Heim kept a detailed record
in his own medical log,

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confirmed by Mauthausen survivors,
who knew him simply as Dr Death.

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Today Aribert Heim
would be 93-years-old.

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He's Zuroff's ultimate prize.

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I can't think of a greater victory
than to bring him to justice.

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He's the number one target
of Operation Last Chance.

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But, I can't rule out the
possibility that Heim is either dead,

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or will die in his sleep in
some hideout in South America
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That's a realistic possibility.

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Every day that goes by without
him being caught brings him a day
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if he hasn't already eluded justice.

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Heim was last seen in 1962.

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He was presumed dead and it seemed
he would never pay for his crimes.

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But in 2001, a German lawyer
tried to get a tax rebate

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on behalf of a client who
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The log of the court case recorded
that the lawyer claimed a second
lawyer, called Fritz Steinacker,

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was in regular contact
with his client.

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The client was none other
than Aribert Heim.

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If this was so, it meant that 47
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Dr Death was still alive.

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It's up to Zuroff to try and
find him and bring him to trial.

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His first call
is to the German police.

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You know, at the forefront
of the efforts to find Heim,

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Germany's the only country
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which has a special task force
to try and find Aribert Heim.

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We want to get the best information
from the best source.

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Whether or not it will lead us to...

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Dr Heim remains to be seen,
of course.

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Zuroff needs the co-operation
of the police

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as he has one major obstacle
in his quest to catch Heim.

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He personally doesn't have
the power to make an arrest.

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The police are pursuing the
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it's possible that he's being
helped by his family.

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First wife...

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He has an ex-wife called Freida

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and two sons called
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Rudiger still lives in the family
home with his mother in Germany.

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Heim also has an illegitimate
daughter called Waltraud Diharce

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who is believed to live in
an isolated town at the
southern tip of Chile.

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This is the place.

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This is where his daughter lives.

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Right near here is Bariloche,

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so there is a natural area
right here where he might be.

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Before Zuroff began his search,

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the 20th century's most renowned
Nazi hunter, Simon Wiesenthal,

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had also tried to find Heim.

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Wiesenthal, a Jew who survived
five concentration camps,

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dedicated the rest of his life

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to documenting the crimes
of the Holocaust

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and hunting down those responsible.

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From all the thousands of trials,

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they never, never...

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found the one or two cases

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the defendant say,
"Please, forgive me."

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They never asked for forgiveness.

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Wiesenthal claimed to have brought
over 1,000 war criminals to justice,

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including a key architect of
the Holocaust, Adolf Eichmann,

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but one target always eluded him.

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There's his fingerprints.

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How do they have his fingerprints
if he has never been captured?

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He was arrested twice by
the Americans after the war.

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He was never prosecuted.

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No-one seems to know why,

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which is also another
question mark about the case.

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At this point that's irrelevant and
now the main thing is to find him.

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An effort has been made,
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certainly for the last 3½ years.

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Why wasn't it made before?
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Wiesenthal himself
was looking for him.

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Heim was arrested by the
Americans after the war.

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In 1946, when SS personnel
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he was not among them.

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Instead,
despite the evidence against Heim,

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the Americans released him.

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He was even recommended for a
surgical job in a local hospital.

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Why Heim was never brought
to trial remains a mystery.

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One theory is that, like
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he was working as a spy in the
Cold War battle against communism.

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Whatever the truth may be,

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the fact remains that
Aribert Heim was a free man

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and has remained so
for over 60 years.

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But now the hunt is about to start,
could Zuroff be too late?

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I'm not saying I'm going to find him.

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All I can say is there is a good
indication that he is alive

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and I work on the
assumption that he is alive.

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I will do anything
possible that we can do

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to make sure he is
brought to justice.

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Will that do it?

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No-one knows.

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No-one knows.

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It's a venture into the unknown.

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Zuroff's hunt for Dr Death

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begins nearly 8,000 miles away

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from the place where
Heim committed his crimes.

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Zuroff is accompanied by the
Wiesenthal Centre's South American
agent, Sergio Widder

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who has been involved
in many Nazi hunts

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including the extradition from
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convicted of murdering over
300 civilians in Rome.

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I'm proud of having
contributed in some way

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to send Nazi war criminals to trial.

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And I hope to have the opportunity
to say the same about Aribert Heim.

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After the defeat of the Third Reich,

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hundreds,
possibly thousands of Nazis

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escaped across the Atlantic
to the safe haven of South America.

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Some, like Walter Rauff, the
inventor of the mobile gas chamber,

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died peacefully in Chile.

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Heil Hitler! Heil!

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Across the border in Argentina,

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the dictator Juan Domingo Peron,
welcomed these men with open arms.

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He wanted scientists
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to help fight his battle against
his communist enemies in the region.

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This escape route
became known as the Ratlines,

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some of history's
most notorious Nazis

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all found refuge and a new life
on a new continent.

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With limited resources
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Zuroff has to rely heavily
on publicity.

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His tactic in South America
is to try and create a media frenzy

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and dangle the offer of a reward,
which he hopes will flush out Heim.

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OK, good afternoon to all
of you, thank you for coming.

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Today's press conference is
being held primarily to deal with the
issue of the case of Aribert Heim.

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Heim is now the number one
most wanted Nazi in the world.

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There is a special prize
for Aribert Heim

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and that sum is 315,000 euros.

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We have a hotline for information and
I'll hold that number up in a minute

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but we're also here to announce

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that we're starting
an ad campaign in South America.

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You'll excuse the
mistake in a number of money,

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it's actually 315,000.

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This is, of course, our way of hoping
that someone will give us the
necessary information.

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I'm not supposed to smile now.
I have to be serious.

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But the reward Zuroff
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compared to the resources
Aribert Heim has at his disposal.

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After the war, in his barbaric
medical experiments at Mauthausen,

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Heim returned to a civilian
life in Germany as a doctor.

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Eventually he settled in the
genteel spa town of Baden-Baden

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with his wife Frieda
and two sons Christian and Rudiger.

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There he attended to the aches
and pains of the bourgeois
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So successful, that in 1958

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he purchased a 42-unit
apartment block in Berlin

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for 160,000 Deutsche Marks,

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at the time, a small fortune.

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He felt so assured in his freedom

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that he bought the
property in his own name.

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He also opened a gynaecology clinic,
again in his own name.

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He was a skilled ice hockey player
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but only here did he show caution.

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He made sure he was
never photographed with
any of his team-mates.

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Heim's personal fortune,
today worth millions,

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sits frozen
by the German government.

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For Zuroff, briefing local
journalists in Santiago,
that money is key.

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SPEAK SPANISH

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What's importance
of the bank account? Si.

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OK, listen, it's very important
because it's one of the
proofs that he is alive.

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If you have 1,200,000 euros
which the kids can take if he's dead,

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they didn't do it.

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That reinforces the idea
that he's alive.

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I'll tell you something else,
it's not only that bank account,

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he has something like 800,000 euros

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and an additional 800,000 euros
in stock, in bonds

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and he has a lot of
money in that account.

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Even if they're relatively
wealthy, which they are,

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still, two million euros,
that's money. Si, that's money.

237
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The only people who can take
that money are the kids, if they
prove that the father is dead.

238
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By 1960, Heim was living a
dream life in Baden-Baden.

239
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A model citizen,
surrounded by a loving family

240
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but then things changed.

241
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After the capture and trial
of Adolf Eichmann,

242
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Nazi war criminals once again
became a hunted quarry.

243
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In 1962, the German authorities

244
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issued a new arrest
warrant for Heim.

245
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He was apparently tipped off

246
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and fled Baden-Baden before the
police could catch up with him.

247
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He has been on the run ever since.

248
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Zuroff has two lines of inquiry.

249
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He wants to broker a meeting
with Heim's daughter, Waltraud,

250
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who lives in the isolated town
of Puerto Montt

251
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and he wants to check out reported
sightings of a man fitting
Heim's description.

252
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At 6 foot 4, with a
distinguishing scar on his cheek,

253
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he should be easily recognised.

254
00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:09,000
Just 24 hours into the trip,
there's been a breakthrough.

255
00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,040
There was a development yesterday?

256
00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,880
Maybe.

257
00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,640
We got a tip

258
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that looks actually quite promising.

259
00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,360
This information came
through the Israeli embassy.

260
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He called the Israeli embassy.

261
00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,600
Someone who knows

262
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the family of Heim's daughter

263
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and thinks he might know
where Heim is hiding.

264
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If it's Heim,

265
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then it's...I mean, it's
just unbelievable, right?

266
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If we nab him,

267
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that would be the
greatest thing, of course.

268
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But there's no other
good alternative,

269
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in other words,
it's either him or it's nothing.

270
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So, I would say,
on the scale of one to ten,

271
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this is between seven and eight.

272
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It's either complete
success or complete failure.

273
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That's one of the indications
that Heim is alive,

274
00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,440
so, because the kids have not tried
to take that money.

275
00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,880
It's not 8 o'clock yet, you're
already doing your first interview?

276
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First! Try 17th.

277
00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,960
Zuroff's tactic to involve
the media seems to be working

278
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as he is all over the papers.

279
00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,280
Where are heading today?

280
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We are going to Puerto Montt,
home of Waltraud and Ivan Deharce,

281
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the illegitimate daughter and
son-in-law of Dr Aribert Heim.

282
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More than 60 years after he
was said to have carried out

283
00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,960
horrific experiments in a Second
World War concentration camp,

284
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the most notorious Nazi still
alive has been tracked down.

285
00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:04,360
How significant a catch would he be?

286
00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:09,560
It would be certainly one of the most
important moments in Nazi hunting,

287
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if you will,
in the last three or four decades.

288
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Our guess is that it's
the people here

289
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who might be able
to solve the mystery.

290
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,360
Somewhere there's someone
who knows something

291
00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:24,080
that will make the difference.

292
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,800
And if Mr Heim is here in
Puerto Montt listening...

293
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,680
If he's listening...
What's your message?

294
00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:34,960
My message is, give up,
turn yourself over and at least
give the victims closure.

295
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,800
You've lived long enough
without being behind bars.

296
00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,600
You know, I really feel like
I've come to the end of the world,

297
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:51,320
so to speak, to find this guy.
I just hope we haven't come too late.

298
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:58,240
Heim's daughter, Waltraud,
is said to have lived in
Puerto Montt for nearly 30 years.

299
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:04,080
It's home from home for a
large community of German
and Austrian settlers.

300
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,560
Dresden cafe... See?

301
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,360
It's not Tel Aviv cafe,
it's Dresden cafe.

302
00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:12,440
HE LAUGHS

303
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,920
Oh, and here we have some
other friendly journalists.

304
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,840
Welcome to Puerto Montt, gentlemen.

305
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,720
Some residents resent
Zuroff's intrusion

306
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,280
and the reminder of the Nazi war
crimes he's bringing with him.

307
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,480
Get out my country!

308
00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,960
What's your problem?
Leave our country!

309
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,000
You have nothing to do here with us.

310
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,120
You think... Get out of my country!
We live in peace.

311
00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:36,120
You live in peace, I come in peace.

312
00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:38,760
Find the killer of
the Palestinian people.

313
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,960
That is genocide...now!

314
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:42,880
THEY SHOUT

315
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,920
You don't even know
what the word means.

316
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,600
THEY SHOUT OVER EACH OTHER

317
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,440
Get out of my country!

318
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:00,840
Thanks for the show.

319
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,120
What's your objection
with Mr Zuroff being here?

320
00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:09,120
I don't understand what you say.

321
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,000
Bien, bien, bien.

322
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,320
Bien, bien, bien.

323
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,000
What a welcome, it's beautiful.
It ups the ante.

324
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,280
Listen, I would say to you,
since I walk around with a kippah,

325
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:24,720
I'm easily identifiable.

326
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,200
Now that they've plastered this
picture all over the front page,

327
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,440
it's not a question
of the kippah anymore.

328
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,560
They can identify the face,
so that's it.

329
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,840
We should sit somewhere where we can
be easily attacked by any passer-by.

330
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,000
OK.

331
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,120
Away from the media spotlight
Zuroff and Widder

332
00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:48,440
have made contact with the informant
who might be their breakthrough.

333
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:54,560
He's an employee of Heim's
son-in-law, Ivan Diharce,
Waltraud's husband.

334
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,520
He claims that Heim is hiding
50 miles away from Puerto Montt

335
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,800
on the island of Chiloe,
living on land owned by the family.

336
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,760
HE SPEAKS SPANISH

337
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,200
I'm asking him
whether he thinks that...

338
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,120
There's a chance...

339
00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:16,000
There's a chance that
Aribert Heim is in Chiloe.

340
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,960
He says that it is because
Diharce has a field in Chiloe.

341
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,400
HE SPEAKS SPANISH

342
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,960
It's in an area with
very difficult access.

343
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,720
Why did it arouse your suspicion?

344
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,800
HE SPEAKS SPANISH

345
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,080
He had a relative,
a very old relative...

346
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,360
It sounds strange to Mr Barrientos

347
00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:48,480
because Mr Barrientos knows all
Diharce's relatives.

348
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:53,320
The informant knows that none
of the family actually live
on the island of Chiloe,

349
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,640
even though they own
a property there.

350
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,320
So we took note Waltraud's husband
told him he was taking food

351
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,120
to an elderly and previously
unknown relative

352
00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:05,000
who had arrived on the island.

353
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,680
But you also said that he
was carrying a lot of food.

354
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,600
It didn't seem to make sense.

355
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,720
SPEAKS SPANISH

356
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,920
He said he had many bags
from the supermarket.

357
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,560
He does not know what was he
bringing that food to. Bueno.

358
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,080
Gracias. Muchas gracias.

359
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,080
Adios.

360
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:36,200
There's no hard evidence that
anyone is living in this place.

361
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,600
If he had seen someone living
there, an elderly German, if he had

362
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,160
spoken to someone who saw
an elderly German...

363
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,400
There is no evidence of
any person ever living in this house

364
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,480
in the past few years,
definitely has to be checked out.

365
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,080
Yeah, absolutely.

366
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:56,600
Were gonna transfer it to the police.
We're gonna give it to the police
and we're gonna see what happens.

367
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,160
Listen, this is going to be tough.
This is going to be very tough.

368
00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:08,200
And our little encounter today
in front of the hotel was just
the Forshpeis, the appetiser.

369
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,360
Know what I mean?

370
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,000
Zuroff and Widder
have a lot of questions.

371
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,280
They've decided to pay a visit to
Heim's daughter, Waltraud.

372
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,320
This is the part that I definitely
do not like, to be honest.

373
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,920
It's one thing to go to a Nazi's
house. That, I think, is legitimate.

374
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,320
OK, it's another thing to go
to a child of a Nazi's house.

375
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,720
That's already much more complicated.

376
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,920
So have you tried to broker a
meeting with Waltraud? We tried.

377
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,240
What happened? No result.

378
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,480
When did you try this?

379
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,600
We tried yesterday, actually.

380
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,400
They didn't get hold of her.

381
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,960
Zuroff's tactic with the media
has been to whip up a media storm,

382
00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:03,120
but now he needs a
private meeting with Waltraud,

383
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:04,920
the tactic has backfired.

384
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,520
We're not getting out.

385
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,880
You're not getting out? No.

386
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:14,240
The press pack, all hungry for a
story, have descended on the house,

387
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,760
ruining any prospect of Waltraud
agreeing to a meeting.

388
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,200
Now close the doors.
Don't open the windows.

389
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,240
Go knock on the door and say that
you want to talk to her

390
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,560
or we want to talk to her and
is she willing to talk?

391
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,000
Zuroff sends the press
themselves to knock on her door,

392
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,960
as he is unable to do anything
on his own without being followed.

393
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,600
HE SPEAKS SPANISH

394
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,120
It's the same old guy
that looks after the house.

395
00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:59,960
He says they're in Puerto Varas,
which is about 15K from here.

396
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:03,520
Yes? He doesn't have the address.
He doesn't have a phone number.

397
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,880
Vacation?
He didn't say why they're there? No.

398
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,160
All right.
Could be a wild goose chase.

399
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,640
No, could be a total
wild goose chase, I mean...

400
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,800
Are you worried that he's going to
end up ultimately escaping justice?

401
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,000
I'm very worried about it, yes.

402
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,000
And if he dies before we catch him,

403
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,920
believe me, it'll be
incredibly frustrating.

404
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,320
But as long as the
possibility exists...

405
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,280
I would say even a good
likelihood that he's alive,

406
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:29,920
we have to make every effort,

407
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,040
including media stunts like this,
to try and find him.

408
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:39,360
The fact that Waltraud
is nowhere to be seen
is a significant setback.

409
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:44,760
Zuroff is getting desperate
but determined to keep up the
pressure and flush out Heim.

410
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,240
The media offensive continues.

411
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:52,360
As many of our listeners,
I'm sure, know, Heim's daughter,

412
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:55,080
Waltraud Dehirce,
lives in Puerto Montt.

413
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,560
This is why our visit
to Puerto Montt is so important.

414
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,680
That's the prize for anyone who'll
bring us the information

415
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:19,040
that will lead to the capture and
prosecution of Dr Aribert Heim.

416
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,400
Zuroff has spent a week in Chile.
It's time to leave.

417
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,520
But despite the initial elation
with the new informant,

418
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,680
he's still no closer
to cornering his prey.

419
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,800
Do you ever feel like
you're chasing a ghost?

420
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,040
That's something I ask
myself occasionally

421
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,240
and it's something
that I think about. Yeah.

422
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,480
I do know that there's a
serious chance he might be dead, yes.

423
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,520
I'm well aware of that, yeah.

424
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:56,880
As long as we have no concrete proof
that he's dead, we have to assume
he's alive and we have to try.

425
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,400
It's worth an effort.

426
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,800
They are now moving the hunt
across the Andes into Argentina.

427
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,880
We are headed to Bariloche,

428
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,400
across the Andes.

429
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,320
A place full of Nazis.

430
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,200
This is not Efraim Zuroff
against Aribert Heim.

431
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,160
This is the good guys
against the bad guy.

432
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,360
That's the way we have to concentrate
on the case and not lose track of it.

433
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,600
We have an obligation to the victims

434
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,760
to try and find those who
turned them into victims.

435
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,440
I think that's a pretty important
mission and one...

436
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,640
I get up in the morning,

437
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,880
I know I'm going to work and feel
I'm doing something important

438
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,280
and, in that respect, we're really
the emissaries of the victims.

439
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,080
The name of Bariloche will
forever be famous in the
history of Nazi hunting.

440
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,680
It was here in 1994
that Erich Priebke,

441
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:12,240
the man responsible for the massacre
of 335 civilians during the war,
was found.

442
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,880
Zuroff and Widder have only just
arrived in town and already,

443
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,760
someone has come forward with a
possible sighting of Heim.

444
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:31,640
The informant is fearful of
reprisals from a local community
sympathetic to old Nazis.

445
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,520
He's asked for anonymity.

446
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,760
OK, he saw for the first time this
year... Three times this year...

447
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:45,720
Three times? Three times this year,
a tall man, very tall man,
with a scar on his face.

448
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,360
He saw this tall man walking
in el centro.

449
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,600
Listen, listen.

450
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,080
Look at me for a minute.
OK. Look at me.

451
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,800
How tall was he?

452
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,080
Do you think he was taller than me?

453
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,640
Yes.

454
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,760
Was he hunched over...? Was he...?

455
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,520
White hair. White hair?

456
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:14,320
He's saying that this person lives
in one of the paths to Chile.

457
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,400
That the car plate was...

458
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,600
The licence plate?
A Chilean licence plate? Yes.

459
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,240
How long ago was this?

460
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,200
Last time was one month ago.

461
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,600
One month ago. OK, muchas gracias.

462
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,440
Gracias. Chao. Chao.

463
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,400
The informant's physical description
of the man he saw matches Heim.

464
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,440
But there is no hard information
of the man's whereabouts.

465
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,600
It is almost too perfect
to be believed.

466
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,280
And there's no concrete link
to something that we can check.

467
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,200
This is part of the problem.

468
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:06,240
See, when we spoke to the other guy,
it was something that we could check.

469
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,120
There was a physical place
that will be checked,

470
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,160
so on a certain level,
that gave me more confidence.

471
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,760
I think it has more potential
than this one,

472
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,280
even though this one, in theory,
is better than the other one.

473
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,280
Zuroff has failed to meet
Heim's daughter, Waltraud.

474
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,240
But he has succeeded in
tracking down two potential
sightings of his target.

475
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,080
His next step is to
persuade the police

476
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,080
the sightings are credible enough
to warrant further investigations.

477
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,520
This is Efraim Zuroff
of the Wiesenthal Centre.

478
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,320
I'm OK. Listen, we have a lot to talk
about. We're in Buenos Aires.

479
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,400
Yeah, yeah. No, it's very important.
We have to talk.

480
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:10,160
They are meeting with
Argentinean Interpol to give an
update on the progress of the hunt.

481
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,800
He is convinced that he saw a person
who fits the description exactly.

482
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,920
As new information continues to
emerge, Zuroff remains convinced

483
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,000
that Heim's daughter Waltraud
holds the key.

484
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:30,440
In the last two hours, we got a
new lead by phone from someone
who saw him in Chile.

485
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,400
He's almost certain he saw him.

486
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,560
And he was accompanied by a woman who
fits the description of Waltraud,

487
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,000
100%.

488
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,040
Everything is in place. The
shape of the face, the short hair,

489
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,240
the fact that she's heavy, the age.

490
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:57,400
But despite these new leads, Zuroff
still has nothing concrete to show
that Heim has gone to ground here.

491
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,760
As he prepares to leave South
America and return to Israel,

492
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:06,080
it seems, for now, the hunt
for Heim is out of his hands.

493
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,520
What are you compiling there, Effy?

494
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,400
I'm writing a report now,

495
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:18,680
which we're giving to
the police in Chile,
on our encounter with the informant.

496
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,640
Listen, if past experience
is any indication,

497
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,280
then this will be
checked out very shortly.

498
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,600
We're talking about a matter of days.

499
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,960
You leave in the next
couple of days.

500
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,400
What happens if they
come up with something?

501
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,960
You never heard of planes?

502
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,120
If they catch him, believe me,
we'll be there to give him a big...

503
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:43,040
To give him the big handshake
and to have a press conference
and say hallelujah.

504
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,680
You're you not planning to
go home in a couple of days?

505
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,800
I am planning to go
home in a couple of days.

506
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,720
Because, listen, we don't
know what's going to happen.

507
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,040
I could be like this
for the next six months.

508
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,240
Just in limbo from one
lead to another lead.

509
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:03,640
I'm very... There's
something about this I don't like,

510
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,320
because how will I look
if we don't find him?

511
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,840
How will I look if he's
found tomorrow in Germany?

512
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,680
Since 1951,
the horrors of the Holocaust

513
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:31,360
have been marked by an annual day of
mourning and remembrance in Israel.

514
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:35,720
Zuroff has been invited
onto a television talk show.

515
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:44,040
He knows that as the remaining
wanted Nazis become older and fewer,

516
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:49,480
the rest of the world is beginning
to lose interest in hunting
them down - even Israel.

517
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,520
I was explaining to them

518
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,760
why, even today, it's important
to bring Nazis to justice.

519
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,080
I used Heim as a perfect example.
Think of someone like Heim

520
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,040
and, assuming that he's alive, what,

521
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,640
you're going to let him live out his
life in peace and tranquillity,

522
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,200
as if he didn't do anything?

523
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,840
As if he didn't commit any crimes?
That's absurd!

524
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,960
But the people running the media
here, they're the ones who...

525
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,120
In other words, for them,
this is not an important topic.

526
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,760
What is an important topic?

527
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,920
Listen, you're in a country here
that's facing existential threat,

528
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:37,040
of an Iranian nuclear bomb, so they
are right that the Iranian nuclear
bomb is more important than this.

529
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,240
That's true.

530
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:40,960
Let's go.

531
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,960
Right now, I'm incredibly frustrated,

532
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,600
because some of the information
that we found in Chile

533
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,800
that we thought was
potentially very important

534
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,840
was checked out
and didn't lead to anything.

535
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,160
So now we're sort of weighing
our options to decide what to do.

536
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:07,720
The hunt for Heim has stalled,
at least until new leads or
fresh information appears.

537
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:14,960
For Zuroff, it's back to
compiling evidence against some of
the other targets he's hunting.

538
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,440
I'm very interested in
what happened that morning,

539
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,480
when they came to
take you to the dome.

540
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:27,760
I remember a gendarme was holding
a list and asking for my father.

541
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:33,680
Like the perpetrators of the
Holocaust, the victims represent
part of a dying generation.

542
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,960
These are the people Zuroff
is fighting for.

543
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,000
Is it right what Zuroff's doing,

544
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,520
chasing them till
there's no one left?

545
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,560
I adore him for it because
it is a saint's work.

546
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,440
It is something that...

547
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:56,320
I hope that he gets a lot
of answers from other people.

548
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,720
A lot of help, because he's doing...

549
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:05,680
Also emotionally
and also physically,

550
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,600
he invests a lot, I know.

551
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,800
Two months after
visiting South America,

552
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,400
there's been an
extraordinary development.

553
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,600
Heim's daughter, Waltraud,
has written to Zuroff.

554
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,400
She's agreed to a
face-to-face meeting,

555
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,000
not in Chile but in Austria.

556
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,720
Out of the blue, I received a letter

557
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:34,200
sent to the Wiesenthal Centre
in Jerusalem,

558
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,440
basically begging us
to leave her alone.

559
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,680
This, of course,
piqued our curiosity.

560
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,720
Maybe we should ask for a meeting.

561
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:46,880
Maybe this is the breakthrough
that we were waiting for,

562
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,160
to finally have this
tete-a-tete with her.

563
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,000
I have to tell you, just
on a human level,

564
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,720
I was really nervous
about this thing.

565
00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:02,000
To be honest. You know, I could feel
my stomach was churning yesterday.

566
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:09,960
It's a very rare thing
but, listen, that's part of the game.

567
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,480
It's part of the job and this is the
things that we're up against.

568
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,200
Waltraud has asked that
their meeting and conversation
be kept confidential,

569
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,560
something Zuroff
has agreed to honour.

570
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:27,560
He won't repeat the details,
but Waltraud has admitted
that Aribert Heim was her father.

571
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,840
But she claims she never knew him
and they never even met.

572
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,440
As you can imagine, this was,

573
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,880
I think, you know, definitely
one of the dramatic encounters

574
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,400
in the ongoing search
for Aribert Heim.

575
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,480
I wanted to reach her on
that human level,

576
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,040
to try and probe into her heart,
into her mind,

577
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,480
and try and get the truth.

578
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,280
Let me put it this way,

579
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,000
if she's lying,
she did one hell of a job today.

580
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:17,000
Ironically, it's the thoroughness
of Zuroff's own investigation

581
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:22,640
that has ended up showing
Waltraud had no knowledge
of her father's whereabouts,

582
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,880
putting back years of work
on the hunt for Heim.

583
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,360
But as the file on one
of Heim's children closes,

584
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,720
another child has unexpectedly
broken cover.

585
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:36,640
Rudiger Heim,
Aribert's youngest son,

586
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,920
has given an interview
to the German magazine, Bild.

587
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,360
Rudiger claims he has no idea
where his father is,

588
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,720
but he wants him to be
officially declared dead.

589
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:51,320
That would allow Heim's
personal fortune to be unfrozen

590
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,240
and inherited by his family.

591
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:56,960
Rudiger also claims that he would
then make a charitable donation

592
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,640
towards documenting the
crimes of Mathausen.

593
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,400
Rudiger, for years,
refused to give interviews.

594
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,640
The whole thing was extremely
strange, I have to say,

595
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,600
and coming right after
Waltraud's letter to us...

596
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,640
Normally I don't like
conspiracy theories.

597
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,720
I don't go for them, but
something might be afoot.

598
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:22,560
It's about to emerge that Rudiger
Heim is not being entirely frank
about his father's whereabouts.

599
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,800
The hunt for Dr Death
is about to be turned on its head.

600
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,320
Regarded as the most senior
surviving Nazi war criminal,

601
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,000
the whereabouts of Aribert Heim
have always been a mystery,

602
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,520
but now an investigation
by journalists

603
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,840
claims he was living peacefully in
Egypt until his death 17 years ago.

604
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,720
They showed his photograph
to friends in Cairo,

605
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:46,920
who knew him as
Tarek Hussain Farid,

606
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,600
and his son, who had kept
his father's story secret,

607
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,320
now says he died
of rectal cancer in 1992.

608
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,160
Still, this documentation is almost
all there is to confirm

609
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,320
the end of a man who documented each
of his own sickening murders.

610
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,880
Little wonder that many are far from
ready to let go. Why should they be?

611
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,400
So there's been some developments?

612
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,880
Some shocking developments,
I would even say.

613
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:27,600
I mean, this is totally in a
completely different direction

614
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:32,560
than all our working assumptions over
the last three years, four years.

615
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,160
This unexpected turn of events began

616
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,960
when the New York Times
and German TV broadcaster ZDF

617
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,720
were contacted by an anonymous
middleman who gave them a briefcase

618
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:47,040
that allegedly once belonged
to Aribert Heim.

619
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,320
Letters, bank statements, medicine.

620
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,000
This is the suitcase.

621
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:59,040
It contained personal documents,
including a rare photograph
of an ageing Aribert Heim.

622
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,760
It appeared to show that
Heim had taken on a new identity,

623
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,320
whilst living in Cairo.

624
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,560
And a copy of a death certificate

625
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,360
suggested he might
have died there, too.

626
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,600
Tarek Hussain Farid

627
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,120
died in 1992.

628
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,400
Good old Rudiger was with him.

629
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,600
Rudiger Heim changed
his original story

630
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,440
and admitted he knew all along
that his father was hiding in Cairo.

631
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,920
He added further intrigue

632
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,200
by claiming he was with his father
when he actually died,

633
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,120
and that the body
was later buried in a mass grave.

634
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,120
But the guy's obviously a liar.

635
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,120
Six months before that,
he told Bild Zeitung

636
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,120
that he had had no contact
whatsoever with his father.

637
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,480
So is he lying then, is he lying now?

638
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:51,880
Is he lying both times?

639
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,480
It's clear that he's a liar

640
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,840
and it's clear that he has a vested
interest in getting us off the case.

641
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,440
What does your hunch say?
Do you believe this story?

642
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,520
I don't know.
The story seems to perfect.

643
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,600
The fact that we can't do any
forensics, there's no corpse,

644
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,120
we can't do a DNA check,
we can't check his teeth...

645
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:16,000
raises a tremendous question in
terms of the veracity of this report.

646
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:21,240
Listen, if Heim died in 1992,
why didn't the kids take the money?

647
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:24,000
The money is still in the
bank account in Berlin.

648
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,600
17 years have gone by and there's two
million euros sitting in the bank.

649
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,600
Why don't they take it?

650
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,840
In 2001, we obtained a transcript
of a court case in Berlin

651
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,520
about getting Heim a reduction on
income tax and his lawyer says,

652
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:44,200
"I'm in close contact with my
client, who's living overseas."

653
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:51,240
So either the lawyer is lying in,
in which case he should be disbarred,

654
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:52,920
or Heim's alive.

655
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,320
Zuroff has been denied permission
by the Egyptian government

656
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,760
to travel to Cairo
to investigate the claims further.

657
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,400
Rudiger Heim
has also refused to speak to him.

658
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,560
Zuroff is coming up against
a series of brick walls,

659
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:22,720
but having dedicated nearly seven
years of his life looking for
Aribert Heim, he refuses to let go.

660
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:27,200
He points to the fact that there is
no corpse to confirm Heim is dead.

661
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:35,960
As the briefcase and its contents
were passed on to the police task
force for forensic examinations,

662
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,560
Zuroff has come to Stuttgart
to see the evidence for himself.

663
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:49,440
This is the briefcase handed over
in February in Berlin.

664
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:55,960
And the content of the briefcase
is now in all these files,

665
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,760
photographed and examined,
partly by the forensics.

666
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,240
So how did you actually get
the...physically get the briefcase?

667
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:08,000
It was handed over
by a lawyer in Berlin.

668
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,320
You have no idea who gave the
briefcase to the German lawyer?

669
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,240
No, we don't know.

670
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:21,280
Because surely, whoever he got
the briefcase from would unlock
some of the mysteries to this case?

671
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,000
Is that fair to say? That's right.

672
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,800
I think there's some
very serious questions

673
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,360
as to whether or not Aribert
Heim actually died in Egypt.

674
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:37,520
The mass grave, they can't find
the body, no DNA, no teeth, no...

675
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:45,040
For us it's very clear that
he lived for a long time in Egypt

676
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:51,320
but we're still not sure
that he died in 1992 in Cairo.

677
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,480
We still have no proof of that.

678
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,480
We're looking for fingerprints,
DNA evidence

679
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:03,400
that these documents really
originated by Aribert Heim.

680
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,360
I know that you requested
permission to go to Egypt.

681
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,680
Where does that stand?

682
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:14,280
We have until now no reply
concerning our request.

683
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:21,520
One of the things that I'm
thinking about is this whole
question of Rudiger's involvement.

684
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:27,840
Is it possible for you
to interrogate Rudiger?

685
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,240
If he don't want to speak to us,
he must not.

686
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:33,840
He will not. He will not?

687
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:38,240
Because he is the son, he
has the right to say nothing.

688
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,080
He has immunity, in a sense.

689
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,120
In other words, he's protected? Yes.

690
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,240
One second, in other words,
he is allowed,

691
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:50,040
as the son of an escaped war
criminal, to help that war criminal?

692
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,480
According to the German law,

693
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,480
the son or close relative
of a suspect

694
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,640
don't has to testify
against his relative.

695
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:08,360
So for helping his father,
he cannot be prosecuted in Germany.

696
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,000
Does that include,
by the way, his mother?

697
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,480
Rudiger's mother divorced
Heim in 1967.

698
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,880
Is she also protected,
even after the divorce?

699
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,280
That's right,
according to the German law.

700
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,320
That gives them
an incentive to help him.

701
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,960
In other words, if they're protected,

702
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,560
then they have nothing
to be afraid of.

703
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,720
60 miles from Stuttgart,

704
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:38,360
Zuroff wants to see with
his own eyes Heim's family home,

705
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:43,000
where his ex-wife Frieda and
son Rudiger are still living.

706
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,160
Have you been here before?

707
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,400
No.

708
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,840
Never been here.

709
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,200
Now, according to the law in Germany,
this is the best place for him to be.

710
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,440
His family can protect him,
with no penalty.

711
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,480
Look at the trees here.
It's gorgeous. It's incredible.

712
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,880
I think this is it, here.
This is the house?

713
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,160
Straight ahead.

714
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,720
My, oh, my, oh, my...

715
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:25,160
That's it? That's the big house,
then. The white house.

716
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,480
Shit.

717
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,160
This gives you the sense
that he was really wealthy.

718
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:07,240
You have to have a lot of money
to be able to live on the run.

719
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:17,240
You see that the opponent is
formidable, in a certain sense.

720
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,320
That's what that house
sort of radiates.

721
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,880
It radiates money.

722
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,640
And money, in a certain sense,
is strength.

723
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,360
It's infuriating, on that level.

724
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,800
This mass murderer sadist

725
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,920
was enjoying life here in this place.

726
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,200
This looks like a place where
you can really enjoy life.

727
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,520
Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.

728
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:04,040
Outside the family home,
an old man is spotted.

729
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:10,160
From a distance, he appears to match
the age and profile of Aribert Heim.

730
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:19,200
Zuroff examines the footage
to see if this mystery man
could really be Dr Death.

731
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:53,240
I actually received a call
from a neighbour of the Heim family,

732
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:56,600
living on the same street,
who told me he was convinced

733
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,440
that Aribert Heim
was living in his own house.

734
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,800
When did he call you?

735
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,800
Not long ago. Maybe two months ago.

736
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,440
Have you still got his number?

737
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,520
No, I don't think so.

738
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,600
To be honest,
I dismissed it out of hand.

739
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,640
Listen, you could
make out a whole scenario.

740
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,840
He decided he wanted to
come home to die, you know?

741
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,920
He's had enough of Egypt, he's had
enough of life on the run,

742
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,480
South America, Spain,
wherever the hell he was.

743
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,480
If he was in any of those places.
We don't even know, right?

744
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:31,720
Egypt, we know.

745
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:35,880
And he decided he's coming home
and it doesn't matter any more.

746
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,640
He'll take his chances.

747
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,560
And because it was so
incomprehensible,

748
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,880
he actually pulled it off.

749
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,000
That's basically what
you're asking me to think.

750
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,280
But listen, I never believed
for a minute that Heim was
living in his own house.

751
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,120
That would be the trick of tricks.

752
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,000
'Thomas?

753
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,400
'Hi, it's Efraim.'

754
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:06,000
This might sound very strange to you.

755
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:13,760
But we saw a very,
very old man going into Heim's house.

756
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,200
You know that there's an older
person living in the house?

757
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,880
He's also a doctor?

758
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,440
She likes those doctors.

759
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,560
All right, thanks.
Thanks for everything.

760
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,840
The ex-wife's boyfriend,

761
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:34,040
who's been in the picture
for the last...

762
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,040
Quite a few years.

763
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:40,960
He lives with the ex in the palace.

764
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,240
I wonder if he came
on the scene before '92?

765
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:46,600
That's an interesting question.

766
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,560
So, tell us, Rudiger, this Julius,
your new friend...

767
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,720
When did he show up?

768
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,080
HE MUTTERS

769
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:09,360
All of a sudden I had a
very strong sense of defeat.

770
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,120
The power and the money,

771
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:19,400
the strength of this place,
in a sense, was too much for us.

772
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:25,520
But in the end, thank God, he was
forced to run away from this place.

773
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,600
So, in that respect,
he didn't really win.

774
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,880
The fact he was on the
run was a punishment.

775
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,800
Of course he should have had
to a pay much higher price.

776
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,800
But that wasn't our failure.

777
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:42,040
It was the failure of the German
authorities, no question.

778
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,320
No question.
They could have found him.

779
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,240
We're standing now in the exact room

780
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:54,920
where Dr Aribert Heim
performed his operations,

781
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,640
castrations and dirty work.

782
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,600
This is the place.

783
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,560
This is where it all took place.

784
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,280
He was clearly a sadist.

785
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:10,160
The "experiments", in quotation
marks, that he carried out

786
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,560
had very little to do with science

787
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:17,000
but more with his lust to torture
and humiliate his victims.

788
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,640
So, this is from the operation book.

789
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,720
It's basically a log of
all the operations carried out.

790
00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:31,480
So, on October 8th, 1941
we find an entry for Dr Heim.

791
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:36,080
It says here,
18 inmates were operated on,

792
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,880
of whom one was a Dutch Jew.

793
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,880
Max Heftman, another prisoner
called Jacob Wertheim.

794
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,920
They died shortly
after those operations.

795
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,120
The next day, seven prisoners.

796
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,760
One is named specifically,
a man called Friedrich Fischer.

797
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,640
The next day, seven prisoners.

798
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,680
The next day, two prisoners,
one of whom was a Spaniard.

799
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,720
In this case Florentino Garcia.

800
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:03,440
October 16th, Josef Schmidt.

801
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,640
October 17th, Samuel Burg.

802
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,440
Aaron von Geldern.

803
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,200
October 18th,

804
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,680
Ludwig...Stofenmacher.

805
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,800
November 4th, Joab Conijero.

806
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,680
November 5th,
Fernando Masie, Manuel Saez.

807
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:24,240
November 12th,

808
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:25,720
Yust Florenin.

809
00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:27,480
November 17th, Arthur Dietrich.

810
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:30,960
Peter Schultz,

811
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,520
Wilhelm Gerke,

812
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,320
November 19th, Milan Jacovich.

813
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:13,000
There's still a feeling of
frustration and a feeling
of missed opportunities.

814
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,000
This time we didn't bring it home.

815
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,520
It didn't happen.

816
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:28,320
It's definitely possible that I'll
call it a day in a year from now,
let's say, or 18 months from now.

817
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,560
Then, all of a sudden, they'll
discover another case of a Nazi.

818
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,000
It's possible.

819
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,720
But I won't say that
I'm calling it a day

820
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,600
because there's
no Nazis worth hunting,

821
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,240
or people worth bringing to justice.

822
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,080
You'll never hear that from me.

823
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,480
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